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I put the ide ribbon on my old 10Gb hard drive and booted up, used everest, and got the following reports on the old drive.

ATA REPORT:

[ Maxtor 31024H1 (L1JBRZ2C) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID Maxtor 31024H1
Serial Number L1JBRZ2C
Revision YAH814Y0
Parameters 19590 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 19746720
Buffer 2 MB (Dual Ported, Read Ahead)
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 57
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 4 (ATA-66)
Unformatted Capacity 9642 MB

ATA Device Features:
SMART Supported
Security Mode Not Supported
Power Management Supported
Advanced Power Management Supported
Write Cache Supported
Host Protected Area Supported
Power-Up In Standby Not Supported
Automatic Acoustic Management Supported
48-bit LBA Not Supported
Device Configuration Overlay Not Supported

ATA Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Maxtor
Hard Disk Family DiamondMax VL 40
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 10245 million bytes
Disks 1
Recording Surfaces 1
Physical Dimensions 147 x 101.6 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 590 g
Average Rotational Latency 5.55 ms
Rotational Speed 5400 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 373.6 Mbit/s
Average Seek 9.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1 ms
Full Seek 20 ms
Interface Ultra-ATA/100
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 100 MB/s
Buffer Size 2 MB
Spin-Up Time 8.5 sec

ATA Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Maxtor Corporation
Product Information http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/

SMART REPORT:

[ Maxtor 31024H1 (L1JBRZ2C) ]

01 Raw Read Error Rate 0 253 252 42 OK: Always passing
03 Spin Up Time 63 235 234 4577 OK: Value is normal
04 Start/Stop Count 0 252 252 3011 OK: Always passing
05 Reallocated Sector Count 63 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
06 Read Channel Margin 100 253 253 0 OK: Value is normal
07 Seek Error Rate 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
08 Seek Time Performance 187 252 242 60600 OK: Value is normal
09 Power-On Time Count 0 161 161 24965 OK: Always passing
0A Spin Retry Count 223 253 252 0 OK: Value is normal
0B Calibration Retry Count 223 253 252 0 OK: Value is normal
0C Power Cycle Count 0 251 251 885 OK: Always passing
C4 Reallocation Event Count 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
C5 Current Pending Sector Count 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
C6 Off-Line Uncorrectable Sector Count 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
C7 Ultra ATA CRC Error Rate 0 199 199 0 OK: Always passing
C8 Write Error Rate 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
C9 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 2 OK: Always passing
CA <vendor-specific> 0 253 224 1 OK: Always passing
CB <vendor-specific> 180 253 252 25 OK: Value is normal
CC <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
CD <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
CF <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
D0 <vendor-specific> 0 253 252 0 OK: Always passing
D1 <vendor-specific> 0 189 186 0 OK: Always passing
60 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
61 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
62 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
63 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
64 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing
65 <vendor-specific> 0 253 253 0 OK: Always passing

WINDOWS STORAGE REPORT:

[ Maxtor 31024H1 ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description Maxtor 31024H1
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2535.0
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File disk.inf

Disk Device Physical Info:
Manufacturer Maxtor
Hard Disk Family DiamondMax VL 40
Form Factor 3.5"
Formatted Capacity 10245 million bytes
Disks 1
Recording Surfaces 1
Physical Dimensions 147 x 101.6 x 26.1 mm
Max. Weight 590 g
Average Rotational Latency 5.55 ms
Rotational Speed 5400 RPM
Max. Internal Data Rate 373.6 Mbit/s
Average Seek 9.5 ms
Track-To-Track Seek 1 ms
Full Seek 20 ms
Interface Ultra-ATA/100
Buffer-to-Host Data Rate 100 MB/s
Buffer Size 2 MB
Spin-Up Time 8.5 sec

Device Manufacturer:
Company Name Maxtor Corporation
Product Information http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/

[ HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4167B
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2535.0
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File cdrom.inf

Optical Drive Properties:
Manufacturer Hitachi-LG
Device Type DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM
Interface ATAPI

Writing Speeds:
DVD+R9 Dual Layer 8x
DVD+R 16x
DVD+RW 8x
DVD-R9 Dual Layer 4x
DVD-R 16x
DVD-RW 6x
DVD-RAM 5x
CD-R 48x
CD-RW 32x

Reading Speeds:
DVD-ROM 16x
CD-ROM 48x

Device Manufacturer:
Company Name LG Electronics
Product Information http://www.lge.com/c...ryId=CTG1000500
Firmware Download http://www.lge.com/s...rt/software.jsp

[ Intel® 82801AA Bus Master IDE Controller ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description Intel® 82801AA Bus Master IDE Controller
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:
Port 1800-180F

[ Primary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description Primary IDE Channel
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:
IRQ 14
Port 01F0-01F7
Port 03F6-03F6

[ Secondary IDE Channel ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description Secondary IDE Channel
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2600.2180
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File mshdc.inf

Device Resources:
IRQ 15
Port 0170-0177
Port 0376-0376

[ Standard floppy disk controller ]

Device Properties:
Driver Description Standard floppy disk controller
Driver Date 7/1/2001
Driver Version 5.1.2600.0
Driver Provider Microsoft
INF File fdc.inf

Device Resources:
DMA 02
IRQ 06
Port 03F0-03F5
Port 03F7-03F7

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I HOPE THAT NOW THAT YOU HAVE THESE REPORTS ON MY OLD 10GB HARD DRIVE YOU CAN TELL ME IF IT WILL SLOW DOWN MY NEW 80GB HARD DRIVE IF I ADD THE 10GB AS A SLAVE. JUST LIKE YOU GUYS TOLD ME TO. I HAVE NOT YET PLUGGED IN MY OLD HARD DRIVE UNTIL YOU GUYS LET ME KNOW IF IT WILL BE FINE IF I PLUG IT TO MY NEW DRIVE, OR IF IT WILL JUST SLOW IT DOWN.... IF YOU WOULD LIKE REPORTS ON MY NEW 80GB HARD DRIVE FROM "EVEREST", THAN LET ME KNOW... REMEMBER THIS IS THE EXACT URL TO THE NEW 80GB HARD DRIVE I BOUGHT AT THAT SAME STORE...

80GB Western Digital Hard Drive

ADDING MY OLD 10GB HARD DRIVE TO MY SYSTEM WILL BE USEFUL BECAUSE I CAN THAN USE IT FOR DOWNLOADS, ETC. AND JUST AS EXTRA STORAGE, SINCE I PARTITONED THE 80GB DRIVE INTO 2 PARTS. & BECAUSE I GAVE WINDOWS "C" DRIVE 20GB! SO IT WILL MAKE UP FOR THE LOST SPACE AS WELL.
LET ME KNOW IF I WILL HAVE ISSUES WHEN I ADD THE OLD DRIVE. IF IT WILL SLOW DOWN MY SYSTEM I DON'T WANT TO USE IT... & REMEMBER I STILL HAVE WINXP ON THE OLD 10GB HARD DRIVE AS WELL! BUT I AM NOT GOING TO USE IT OBVIOUSLY WHEN I ADD IT TO MY SYSTEM WITH THE 80GIGER. JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT TO DO!!

thx!! & READ MY REPORTS CAREFULLY AS I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING THAT SAYS ATA 100 AND THAN ATA 66 UP AT THE BEGINING ON THE FIRST REPORT

Edited by superstar, 05 April 2006 - 04:42 AM.

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Hi

Sorry for the delay in replying.

According to the reports, your 10GB drive does support ATA-100. However, it also says that it's currently running at ATA-66. Why, I'm not sure.

I may be worth running the report for the 80GB drive as well & see what that says. Don't bother pasting the entire report in the forum, just check out those 2 values at the start of the report & let us know what they say.
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Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 4 (ATA-66)
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This is the report on my western digital hard drive. Remember this is the new 80gb western digital hard drive i bought which you can find here: New 80 Gig WD Hard Drive


ATA REPORT:--------[ ATA ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ WDC WD800JB-00JJC0 (WD-WCAM9F939946) ]

ATA Device Properties:
Model ID WDC WD800JB-00JJC0
Serial Number WD-WCAM9F939946
Revision 05.01C05
Parameters 155061 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors per track, 512 bytes per sector
LBA Sectors 156301488
Buffer 8 MB
Multiple Sectors 16
ECC Bytes 66
Max. PIO Transfer Mode PIO 4
Max. UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 5 (ATA-100)
Active UDMA Transfer Mode UDMA 4 (ATA-66)
Unformatted Capacity 76319 MB
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i dunno why it would say ata 100 and 66. i am assuming this is a problem? where is srx600/samm when you need them. lol. hopefully you can help. i followed your steps on how to partition my new 80giger and put xp on it just as you said when i bought it. i dunno why it would show up like that tho. i never noticed that... until you said so... i dunno why my old 10giger would say such things and why my new 80giger would do the same... help. all i ever wanted to do was just add the 10 giger if it didnt slow down my system! lol... i'm sooo frustrated. by the way you guys told me to partition my new 80gig into two parts, one for winxp (20ggis), and one for my data which was the whole rest of the drive (like 60gbs). Anyways sometimes when I try to access the data partition of the drive my desktop refreshes itself slowly... and locks up my data partition for like 3-4 seconds, where as i cannot get into any folders. and the icons on the desktop slowly refresh themselves one by one. i dunno if this is a problem, or if the drive is simply trying to go all the way to the data end or what. another thing that i've noticed from years ago, even on other systems is when you have a program open and you click browse to get a file sometimes the desktop will do something like what i mentioned above. there will be icons with no faces, and it'll just refresh them slowly, one by one. I've noticed this on my system and others. but the part where i say my new drive locks up like that with the desktop refresh when i try and access the data partition to view files, i only notice that on my system. i dunno if this is a problem or if it happens to everyone with a partitioned drive. hope you can help me with the ata probs tho. all i wanna do is add the 10giger if it doesnt slow down my new drive!!!!! - lol.

thx samm and srx600.

Edited by superstar, 07 April 2006 - 06:20 AM.

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Ok. Firstly re. the ATA-66/100 business, when you did the report for the 80GB drive, was the 10GB drive ALSO connected? If so, then please disconnect the 10GB drive completely & run Everest again on the 80GB.

If however, the 10GB was NOT attached when you did the report, then it looks like the 80GB drive is only running at ATA-66 anyway. The reason for this must be because the system doesn't support ATA-100, or possibly because the bios is incorrectly configured.

If it turns out that the system IS only capable of ATA-66, then at least this means that adding the 10GB drive back in won't slow it down.

Re. accessing the second partition etc, partitioning a drive does not make Windows behave in this way. The fact that it appears to freeze for a few seconds is unlikely to be due to the drive. It sounds more like the system isn't refreshing the screen immediately (hence the blank icons etc). This is likely to be due to a lack of system resources (such as ram) or something similar.
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If however, the 10GB was NOT attached when you did the report, then it looks like the 80GB drive is only running at ATA-66 anyway. The reason for this must be because the system doesn't support ATA-100, or possibly because the bios is incorrectly configured.


If the bios is incorrectly configured how do I configure it properly to accept the ata 100 thing?

By the way my 10giger was not attached when I made the report on my new 80giger.

So I'm assuming that be reading my 10gig and 80gig reports they are both actually ata 100's? or just one of them? well if you can help me configure my bios so it takes them at ata 100 that would be cool. I don't even know what ata 100 means or does, but i'm assuming it makes things faster. In any case I'm adding my 10giger now. Thanx SAMM!!!!!!!!!

Sheeeezzhhh... Your the smartest girl I know. You make me feel like a geekin idiot.

(By The Way that's a compliment)

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Update:

After comming to my senses reading the last posts that you (Samm & SRX600) wrote, I made the following upgrades to my system. Before I tell you about the upgrade problems I ran into, I'd like to tell you what I had in my system before I upgraded, and how it was configured. You'll understand at the end of this. (Notice the before & after jumper configurations, ribbon placement, and drive letters. - Pay close attention)

What I had in my pc before, and how it was configured:

- 80GB hard drive, with no jumper (which is considered a single or master). Connected to the end of a 80pin ribbon (not the middle). The drive has two partitons, "C" for windows, and "E" for data.

- DVD RW optical drive, with the jumper on cable select. Connected to the end of a 40 pin ribbon (not the middle). The audio cable was plugged in the back. & the drive appeared in "My Computer" as a "D" letter drive.

What I upgraded in my pc, and how it was configured:

- I added my old 10GB hard drive but had no picture to see what jumper settings I can choose (meaning, not knowing which one is master, slave, single, cable select, etc. Due to no details on the hard drive). I guessed and placed a jumper on it 2nd from the right ( : : : : : ). Connected it to the middle of the 80pin ribbon (not the end).

- Changed the jumper setting on my 80GB hard drive to "Master with Slave Present". Still leaving it attached to the end of the 80pin ribbon (not the middle).

- I added my old Cd-Rom optical drive, placing the jumper on cable select. Connected it to the end of my 40pin ribbon (not the middle). Meaning I took off the end of the 40pin ribbon from my DVD-RW optical drive. Took off the audio cable from the DVD-RW and placed it on the Cd-Rom.

- Since I took off the end of the 40pin ribbon from my DVD-RW, I placed the middle of the 40pin ribbon on it. And left the jumper setting on "cable select", as it was before.

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Now I booted up my system!!!

& when I did I checked the bios as Samm said to see if the old 10gb hard drive was detected. And it was. Upon reaching the desktop I went straight to "my computer" to see if the 10gb drive appeared there. Sure enough it did. But one thing was missing... My DVD-RW optical drive! It does'nt even show up!!! Instead all that shows for optical drives is the old Cd-Rom I added. One thing you must have noticed if you were paying full attention to what I wrote above is prior to making any upgrades the end of the 40pin ribbon was connected to my DVD-RW, so was the audio cable, and the jumper setting was "cable select". & when I went to "my computer" prior to making upgrades, the DVD-RW drive appeared as the letter "D". It's probably conflicting with the fact that the 10giger is now "D" in my system... Or mayber it's the jumper setting. I dunno... That's where you tell me!! When I right clicked my Cd-Rom drive in "my computer", and selected "eject", BOTH MY CD-ROM AND DVD-RW DRIVES OPENED AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

I reformatted the 10giger as NTSF and wiped it clean and all is well. I still left it with the letter "D" as it had appeared when I first seen it did show up in my system. I was gonna change it to "F" to see if my DVD-RW drive would than show up. But I did'nt since I don't want to confuse myself with so many letters mixed up in the opticals, and hard drive selections. I rather seen them as C,D,E,F,G, etc. Not as C, E, D, F, H, G, etc.

I have noticed a tiny slow down in my system, but maybe thats just me. It's kinda slower when it boots... But than again this probably has to do with you guys letting me know how to configure my bios properly, if one drive is ata-66, and the other is ata-100. Or if my bios only lets you use drives as ata-66 PERIOD. I don't know you'd have to help me on that please.

Well I'll cut to the chase. To make this easier on you I am going to place everything in my system the way it was before I made any upgrades/changes. That means I'm placing the ribbons back, jumpers back, etc. But I'm leaving the 10giger, and the cd-rom in my system (just unplugged - and not in use). So basically I'm placing everything the way it was before I made any changes until you can help me.

As I said to make it easier on you I'll just tell you what I have in my system and what I want to add. & you just tell me how to configure it. (cables, jumpers, etc.)

I have: 80GB hard drive, DVD-RW

I want to add: 10GB hard drive, cd-rom drive


Don't worry about me formatting my 10giger again as I mentioned I already did it when I added it. But I will format it again if you say so. In case you want me to change the letters or something. As far as the bios thing goes on my hard drives. Please tell me how I can set the bios in my system to run ata-100. Or whatever it was I mentioned at the beginning of this new post (up at the top of this new message).

There is no picture or details of jumper settings on my old 10giger. So I'll just give you the model name. But you guys have HP Vectra VL400's like I do so you'll probably know already how I should set the jumper on the old 10giger. Either way the model of my old 10giger is: Maxtor 31024H1

Darn I hate running into computer problems when I build stuff. But this is all making me smarter on how to do it on my own for next time. I'm pretty sure I just connected everything wrong. Hopefully you can tell me how to connect everything to run at its best, and how to set the bios with the ata-100 thing. I love ya'll for helping me seriously. This is too much. My gratitude goes out to you.

I'm unplugging everything and setting it back the way it was. Until than... We'll meet again. Hey it's kinda sad that when I get this pc up and running perfectly and do everything I need to do, well... I won't have any problems to post!

Maybe I'll just make some up when that happens!!!

:help: :whistling: :blink: :)

Edited by superstar, 08 April 2006 - 02:06 PM.

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I'm still around. Since i have some issues i need to take care of at work and at home i have left you in the very capable hands of Samm.

It may be your system is limited to the ATA 66 bus. Have you ran everest or Aida32( early version of everest) on your computer to see what your front side bus is? I havent fired up my H-P vectra to see what it is. You should be able to run ATA100 since the processor can run a 133 bus. The MB may be the limiting factor here. I really don't think it matters that much.

I have not liked running XP on the vectra 1 giger as it is slower than what i an used to. Most of my puters are in the 2.4 to 3.0 gig processor range. You must expect somewhat of a slow computer because of how old it is and that the processor is only a 800.

Heres a read on ultraATA.

http://www.pctechgui...s_Ultra_ATA.htm

When you are setting up your drives you need to look up the jumper setting on them so you can set them correctly. Some MB's do not like cable select mode in drives. When this happens and the drives are not visible, i will set them to master, or slave depending on the connector i'm using( middle or end). I would set the dvd-rw as master on the second IDE and the cdrom as slave. Personally i do not see the reason for having a cdrom drive as the dvd-rw will read cd's also. The thought of saving the dvd-rw from wear and tear by using the cdrom is not logical to me because by the time the drive would wear out you should have replaced the whole computer anyway. I have not run the same computer as my main computer for more than a year. Reality for me is i replace my main puter every six months because people buy my old one out from under me.

According to the maxtor website you need no jumper at all to run it as slave. It shows the jumper in the top right pin and the pin to the left of it has no pin at all. Yes it show the jumper as sideways.

By the way, none of my computers have a 40 wire cables in them. all the cables i buy are 80 wire cables.

Another thought here is now that you are becoming more proficient with building a computer whats the next project? Tiger direct has a intel barebones kit for $150. I like it so i bought one to build my little brother a new computer.

http://www.tigerdire.....ku=I69-2119 F

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I understand what you are saying but not fully... First off you did answer my previous question but did'nt go into detail as in how I can fix it. I'm sorry... Maybe I'm just not cut out for too much of that lingo yet.

Well you mentioned I should run everest to find out what my front side bus is. I don't even know what that is or how to search for it on everest. I do have that program if your wondering.

You mentioned that it may be a limitation of my system only running ata-66. But you also said:

You should be able to run ATA100 since the processor can run a 133 bus. The MB may be the limiting factor here. I really don't think it matters that much.


So than how do I set the bios or whatever it is I need to change in order to make it run ata-100?

As I had said before I'm trying to add a cd-rom drive. And you said:

Personally i do not see the reason for having a cdrom drive as the dvd-rw will read cd's also. The thought of saving the dvd-rw from wear and tear by using the cdrom is not logical to me because by the time the drive would wear out you should have replaced the whole computer anyway.


The reason I'm adding a cd=rom drive is because I use cd's a lot, and some of them may be scratched, or dusty. The room I am in has a habit of being dusty. I dunno why. I try to keep the windows open as much as possible. Anyways I have over 3000 cds. That I use on a regular basis. & sometimes some may be a little scratched or will carry in dust from the room. Tiny hairs and stuff from my dog. So I'm trying to avoid the dvd-rw from ruining or getting dirty. Or from it trying to seek scratched cd's and not seeing what it wants, there for ruining itself. It's my only cd/dvd burner so I want it to be top notch. With the old cd-rom added I can put any disc in there, without using much caution. You have to remember what can I do if my dvd-r laser lens gets dirty? I never heard a way of cleaning a burner drives laser lens. Oh yes I have heard of cleaning normal lens in a regular drive, stereos, etc. I have a cd cleaner that has three little brushes on it. And you insert the cd (it has the three little brushes on it). & you let it spin in any laser lens system until it stops. But I'm not about to try that on a burner lens. I'll probably ruin it and cause it to make errors when I burn cds.

As for the help with the old 10GB maxtor drive that came with my vectra. That I'm trying to add to my 80giger. I don't understand what setting you mean it should be on when I attach it to my 80giger. Meaning add it to my system.

So again my questions are:

1. How do I configure my system to take ata-100? (in the bios or wherever). Or am I just limited to ata-66? Remember to read the everest reports I left on previous posts above and possibly the page before this, on both my 10GB maxtor, and 80GB western digital drive. That way you'll know what there running as in my systm right now. Or how my system sees them.

2. As I said to make it easier on you I'll just tell you what I have in my system and what I want to add. & you just tell me how to configure the cables ribbons, jumpers, etc.

I have: 80GB hard drive, & DVD-RW

I want to add: 10GB hard drive, & cd-rom drive

The model make of my 10giger is: Maxtor 31024H1
(This may provide useful as there are no pictures on the 10giger itself that show me settingfs for the jumpers. Which is just leaving me to guess.

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Please answer these questions for me step by step (1,2,3,4,5,6,etc.)
I really want my system up and running thank you. If your a bit confused on what I am writing. And Samm if you yourself missed my last post please scroll up above srx600's and you will see more details on what I need to be done, and the problems I've encountered.

Thank You SRX600, & SAMM

Thx srx600. sorry i just did'nt get what you meant in your last post. I apologize.

Edited by superstar, 09 April 2006 - 06:59 AM.

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Before you switched the motherboard to the new case you were probably running the bus speed at 66MHZ. To switch the bus speed to 100 mhz you need to go into the bios and see if you can change it. If you need help there i will hook up one of my vectra's and find out for you. I prefer you to do this as a learning experience.

In the real world i don't see switching to the 100 front side bus as much of an increase over the 66 fsb. It may look like it should be 33 to 50% faster but i have found there is not much of a speed increase when using the computer. There are other bottlenecks in the computer like the PCI speed that PCI cards have which is 33mhz.

Now that you have explained about the cdrom drive i can see why you want to add it. If the computer does NOT see both the dvd-rw and the cdrom drive when they are attached to the data cable then you have the jumpers set wrong. Some older computer's do not like the cable select and will not see the drives when you have the jumpers set that way. The master on the IDE cable must be hooked to the end of the cable. The slave drive must be hooked to the connector in the middle of the data cable. You may notice that 2 connectors are grey and one end connector is black. This black connector hooks into the motherboard. On every cdrom drive i have laying around( dozens of them)the 3 jumpers are, from left to right looking at the back of the drive, cable select, slave, and master. So if you set the jumper in the middle 2 pins where the jumper goes it is the slave position. If you dvd-rw is like mine, set the jumper in the right side pins and it will be in the master position.

The only problem i see about dust is both drives are in the same space so they both will be getting the same amount of dust in them. Maybe i'm wrong but that is my opinion.

To add the 10 gig drive to the same data(ribbon) cable as the 80 gig drive do the same thing as the cdrom/dvd drive. I looked up your 10 gig maxtor drive at the maxtor website and it says to have no jumper at all for it to be slave. The website shows there is no real setting for slave in the jumpers. The jumper is set horizontally at the top right of the pins so it is on only one pin and the other pin is really just a blank space. So have no jumper in the maxtor 10 gig drive and hooked into the middle connector on the data cable and it will be slaved to the 80 gig drive. You should still have the 80 gig jumper set to master with slave present and the 80 giger hooked into the end connector on the data cable. Again the black end cable should be hooked to the motherboard.

You should see both HD's and both cdrom-dvd drives this way. Let us know if it does not work. Are you sure the cdrom drive still works?

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Hi
I don't know how you have got with re-configuring the system etc so you had best give me an update on that!

I will tell you this now though :

1) I've checked out the specs for your system on HP's website. It appears that your PC does NOT support ATA-100. That means that no amount of tweaking the bios will allow it to go higher than ATA-66. But at least this means the 10GB drive won't be slowing the 80GB down.

2) The configure the 10GB drive as a slave, you need to remove the jumper cap altogether.
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"SRX600" said this:

Before you switched the motherboard to the new case you were probably running the bus speed at 66MHZ. To switch the bus speed to 100 mhz you need to go into the bios and see if you can change it. If you need help there i will hook up one of my vectra's and find out for you. I prefer you to do this as a learning experience. In the real world i don't see switching to the 100 front side bus as much of an increase over the 66 fsb. It may look like it should be 33 to 50% faster but i have found there is not much of a speed increase when using the computer. There are other bottlenecks in the computer like the PCI speed that PCI cards have which is 33mhz.


So What is bus speed?

Or Front side bus speed?

Is that some other form of meaning for ata-66, and ata- 100?


You also said there are bottle necks in computers like pci speed that pci cards have which is 33mhz.

What does this mean? That if I add a pci card I can make my pc faster? Or that it will not run as fast as it should?

Thx Srx600, and Samm. I'm going to attach my cd-rom and old 10GB Maxtor hard drive right now. I'll let you know if I have problems. Oh another reason why I'm adding the cd-rom drive to my system is because it's easier to copy a cd. Instead of making the burning programs save everything to the hard drive, and than burning it to the blank media. That way it can copy from cd to cd.

One thing I am going to do against your recommendation is use my cd-rom as a master, and my dvd-rw as a slave. I know you told me to use the dvd-rw as a master, and the cd-rom as a slave. See they are positioned in my acrylic tower in such a way that I would have to take it apart, because of the fact that the dvd-rw is on top of the cd-rom. Meaning that if I make the dvd-rw the master, I'll either have to bend the ribbon sideways to fit properly on the cd-rom. Which would probably cause damage to the ribbon. Or I'll have to take out the dvd-rw out of my case (as I said before), and put the cd-rom on the top.

All in all my question is does it matter which optical drive is the slave and which one is master?

I suppose it should'nt be such a threat to have either optical drive as master/slave or vice versa, because there just optical drives. Unless the dvd-rw helps the system run faster... although you would have to tell me that.

Though I am assuming that the optical drive that is a "master" needs to have the audio cable attached to it right?

And that the "slave" optical drive just carries the ribbon... Hmm I'm going to give it a go. Until than my friends I'll write you an update.

Thxxx.

SRX600 & SAMM


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UPDATE!!!

I just attached the cd-rom, and the old 10GB maxtor drive to my system. I placed the 80 gig on the end of the ribbon and set it to "master w/slave present". I than attached the 10gig maxtor drive with the middle of the ribbon on it, and left no jumper on it in order for it to be a slave.

As for the cd-rom and my dvd-ram drive... I did not follow SRX600's recommendations. He told me to set the dvd-ram as a master, and the cd-rom as the slave. Well I did the opposite because of the jam packed space in my case. I put the end of the ribbon on the cd-rom, set the jumper to "master", and plugged the audio cable to it. As for the dvd-ram drive i have... I placed the middle of the ribbon on it, set the jumper to "slave", and obviously did'nt attach the audio cable to it since it's on my cd-rom now...

I BOOTED UP!!!!!!

Than it worked! Presto. They all showed up... One thing though... Remember when I said I added one optical drive and the other did'nt show up before?
Well that's when I formatted the old maxtor drive so I could use it in my system as extra storage... & set it's letter to "D" during the hard drive wizard.

Now that I've got all optical drives to work, and reattached everything, the maxtor drive shows up as the letter "G". I hope this is'nt a problem....

My drives show up like this now/////

Hard Drives: System "C" (Western Digital Partition), Data "E" (Western Digital Partition), Xtra "G" (Maxtor)
Optical Drives: Dvd-Ram Drive "D", Cd Drive "F"

As I said before when I could'nt see one of the optical drives the Maxtor was not "G", it was "D". Because I set it like that.

I hope I have no problems because of this.

Also let me know if changing the way you told me to make the dvdram, and the cdrom master/slave makes any difference. Because I did it the opposite way.

If there is a way for me to change the letters of my drives (all of them), in order to have them organized let me know...

Meaning if I can set the hard drives as: "C", "D", "E"
and than the opticals as: "F". "G"

let me know as this will be more organized for me....

Thanx. And thats my update.....

Edited by superstar, 10 April 2006 - 02:07 PM.

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Hi. great to hear you seem to have it all working now.

Re. the optical drives & their respective configuration...
Essentially, when you have 2 drives on a single IDE controller, the master drive has priority over the slave. This is why when installing a CD/DVD burner, it's generally advisable to make it the master. However, this is not crucial & it should work fine as a slave as well. If you find you do get problems, such as buffer underruns etc when burning discs, then you may need to change the configuration.

As for the stuff SRX600 mentioned re. FSB & ATA standards, I have absolutely no idea what he was on about (sorry SRX660).
The FSB (Front side bus) won't have changed because you switched cases or added a new drive. Your cpu uses an FSB of either 100MHz or 133MHz. This is also the determines the ram speed in many cases (e.g PC100 or PC133).
ATA-66/ATA-100 is independent of the FSB. The 66/100 value refers to the maximum data transfer rate i.e 66MB/sec or 100MB/sec.
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Hey thxx for responding....


Hmmm I never had a buffer under run before on my dvd burner. So I will keep that in mind. If it does do that, than I will make my dvd burner a master, and the cd-rom I have a slave. As I said the only reason I have done this is because its hard for me to get in my case without twisting and turning ribbons etc. So I just don't want to bend anything, and my case is acrylic so it's very delicate. I don't know... I mean it's a pretty thick case but I don't want to take my chances. You know? I'll be very unhappy If it breaks...

Hey Samm remember when you told me to buy the fan grills for my case? Well I took your word and bought them yesterday. I bought three. As I have three fan holes. lol. Anyways... I wanted to ask you and SRX600 a question since you guys should know, because your around pc's all the time. Plus SRX600 has a shop...

What colors do they sell fan grills? I bought silver ones. But I was thinking of buying black ones. Although I don't know if they exsist.

& is it safe to use a bottle of compressed air on my acrylic case. You know the normal bottles with the straw tube you attach to it. I'm scared it might freeze the case and crack it.

Oh Samm as for the sdram in my system... It takes PC133. Because I still have a 64MB HP PC133 chip in it and I can see it through my case. lol. I have a total of 192mb ram right now. I want 512mb. I went to "Staples" yesterday and they sell one "256mb" pc133 sdram stick for $103.00 plus tax (I'm in canada). Thats expensive. What is the cheapest price you guys have seen for a 256mb pc133 sdram chip even if its amercian money? Because it's not that much of a difference. What americas dollar is worth we make up by paying taxes on every dollar. Meaning...

Most of the time one american dollar is worth about $1.17 in Canada. The amount flucuates but it's usually around that much. We pay 15 cents on every dollar for everything we buy here. So if I bought a $1 bag of chips at the store, it would come out to $1.15 with tax. Or If I bought two coca colas that cost $1.00 each. I would end up paying $2.30 for both of them. So when you think about it if your american dollar is worth $1.17 here. Than its basically the same as when I buy something and pay tax.

So thats why I ask where or if you have seen the sdram for cheaper. So I can get it.

Thx
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On the canned air, use it to blow the dust out so short blasts should not hurt the case. Also don't tilt the can sideways so you dont get liquid out of it. It may craze the acrylic.

Heres neweggs price on a 256 stick of pc133.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820136009

I hardly ever buy ram at stores anymore unless circuit city has a sale on their kingston ram. Their prices on everything is way out of line compared to newegg. Look things up at newegg then look at the store prices and you can see where their profits come from. Even with shipping newegg is a lot cheaper.

Heres where i buy my fan grills.

http://www.directron...mmfangrill.html

http://www.nexfan.com/fanguca.html

http://www.xoxide.co...lfangrills.html

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Edited by SRX660, 13 April 2006 - 03:20 PM.

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Hi

Fan grills - yes you can get them in black. They're harder to find but they certainly exist.

Compressed air - absolutely fine - it won't do any harm to the case.

RAM -

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your system will not support 512MB on a single stick. It will support 512MB in TOTAL spread over 2 sticks (i.e 2 x 256MB). This means removing the 128MB stick & the 64MB stick that you currently have & replacing them with 2 lots of 256MB, as your system only has two ram slots.

The best price I can find (bearing in mind I'm from England & so not familiar with US or Canadian stores) is the same one the SRX660 gave you a link to in his last post. I suggest your best bet would be to replace your current ram completely (rather than use your current 128MB stick + one stick of 256MB) so that you avoid any potential compatibility issues between the two sticks.

Whatever ram you end up buying, bear in mind it must be of the following spec :
PC133 UNBUFFERED NON-PARITY (NON-ECC), 3.3V

If you want to be absolutely certain that the ram you order is going to be compatible with your Vectra, then I would recommend you order it from Crucials website (www.crucial.com). Use their system scanner to auto detect your system correctly. They guarantee that their ram will be 100% compatible with your particular computer, plus they are one of the best memory manufacturers around.

Hope this helps

Samm
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would buying this kind of fan grill for my case harm my system or ruin the preformance of my fans?

(This is off one of the links SRX600 gave me)

http://www.nexfan.co...mfanfilter.html

If you notice it has a filter. I'm wondering if it would block the air passage.

As for the ram you mentioned Samm... I did'nt know that it's best that you use two of the same sticks before to avoid compatibility issues... That's new to me. I don't understand why you always mention "PC133 UNBUFFERED NON-PARITY (NON-ECC), 3.3V". Would'nt all 256MB PC133 SDRAM sticks be like that?

Oh and what's the difference between 4x8, and 16x8? What would be better???

Edited by superstar, 14 April 2006 - 10:37 PM.

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