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I wouldnt go with the motherboard A. its Asus, B. Its crossfire, C. Its way more than you need.

Case i dont feel comfortable with a case with only one review on newegg for a generic and you get an awful lot for $50odd which makes me doubt they are buying decent PSUs, it warrants further check ing as to wether or not its is reliable.

It would be a fair improvement, there also memory missing from that setup.
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Like I said scot, its just a suggestion for a decent rig under 500. And asus mobo's are not bad, granted their BIOS's need some work but hands down some of the best out on the market. So at that point it comes down to PERSONAL PREFERANCE. Personally I love the asus mobo I have, works like a charm. [bleep], my rig from the time I hit the power button until desktop is <30 seconds. I wanna see other systems do that. And the other parts I picked namely the case was a BUDGET case with a psu and other stuff.
And BTW that mobo for the price had some of the best features out on the market, and its ATi crossfire capable.
Back to the matter at hand, heres that video card link http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102688.
Heres some memory http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145449.
At any rate it would seem that Asus has been hit or miss lately with their motherboards, some people have no problems at all some have nothing but. I have read reviews on other mobo's (abit,msi,etc) and it would seem they ALL have some sort of issue. And then again you dont know who the person writing the review is, or whether it was damaged during shipping or assembly ( i.e. static discharge, dropping it). But all in all it would still be a ROCK SOLID rig for anything youd want, and it would leave TONS of room for upgrades. And no matter what anyone says SLI and crossfire is worth it to me, for the simple matter of I can get 2 midgrade video cards link em up and have the same if not better performance than if I bought 1 highend card for more than double of what the 2 midgrade cards would cost.
-P.

Edited by p-zero, 19 April 2006 - 10:11 AM.

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I wouldnt reccomend an Asus, before i was always wary because most of the sites and mags i read that have been around a while always said Asus mobos on the AMD side are unreliable and from my experience here with the newest boards they are the boards we see most on this site since december.

And the other manufacturers have much better track records, certainly you get some that are bad but no where close to the amount of Asus board, and my system boots up in less than 30 seconds as well and its not unusual on a well maintained system for it to do that, if i configure the bios properly and use some tweaks i can get it down to 20 seconds but what the point in that.

SLI and crossfire have there disavantages its been made clear and you REALLY dont want to be buying a gfx card so close to DX10 coming out let alone two of them unless you have a choice. You also miss out on features on some cards with the mid ranges, like i said there are disadvantages. You have had success and got very cheap cards(which i still havent seen again as cheap as you said) and i cant see your performance i can only go buy what the review sites come up with and from what i see its not something i would reccomend. And i dont. I also dnot reccomend Asus because of my experience on this site im on here everday near enough and they have the worse track record. I can literally count on one hand the Bad MSI boards, same with DFI, abit have had a few but not to many. Asus ranks up there with the cheapo boards for failures and not just the bios either. If you had to help people fix so many bad motherboards you wouldnt like them either.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145440 this is a better choice of memory. Same stuff just less money, you could shave off a fiver if you went for a cheaper brand like Gskill or patriot but i would stick with corsair.
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socket 939 starts at $115 for a venice 3000+ up to over $1000. They all dont run $500...

You can get a fast 939 for$200-$300


Ok i will admit i did exagerate a lil bit. But you must understand I am thinking quality over quanity here. I'm not thinking of the cheapest item. I think usually of somthing that is in between and i think $500 is to much for a cpu but to find a decent quality 939 (In my opinion) would be ... Wich is about $336

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103529

Although so this doesn't turn into some flame war ...

I don't think he wants a new system. I think all he was asking for was what would be a good upgrade. Not a whole new system. Wich yes is better ! Don't get me wrong it owuld be but i don't think that is what he wants.
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All the CPUs are of the same quality there is no different quality CPUs there is only differenct speeds, the 3000+ is one of the best chips due to its low cost, HIGH quality and low temperatures its also a very good overclocking chip and one of the few that can overclock a full Ghz.
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Yeah it would seem as though Asus rushed some of the newer boards into production for christmas. Im even RMAing my mobo and its not that it doesnt function or that im getting BSOD's or anything, it just doesnt read my drives in BIOS/DOS, they work just fine in windows..kinda weird. And from what I have read on some forums there has been only 2 cases of that happening and thats including mine. ANd most of the problems that I have read about is that people are using incompatible parts or OCing liek crazy and it crashes, Asus offers a specific vendor list for what products will work, there was a guy on the asus forums that OCed his single core 1.8 to 3.0 and then started having problems, imagine that. Anyway, like I stated before, you dont know who put these together, their technical skill, handling of the product, etc. The new asus mobos have a lot of stuff on em that can get damaged pretty easily. The 6800's I have cost less than $100 after a mail in rebate, kinda like a refund....sorta. Its like a cash back incentive to buy a certain companies product. You send in a reciept and they send you some cash back, in my case $30 per card.
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Edited by p-zero, 19 April 2006 - 11:30 AM.

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Ok i will admit i did exagerate a lil bit. But you must understand I am thinking quality over quanity here. I'm not thinking of the cheapest item. I think usually of somthing that is in between and i think $500 is to much for a cpu but to find a decent quality 939 (In my opinion) would be ... Wich is about $336

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103529

Although so this doesn't turn into some flame war ...

I don't think he wants a new system. I think all he was asking for was what would be a good upgrade. Not a whole new system. Wich yes is better ! Don't get me wrong it owuld be but i don't think that is what he wants.



This cpu is plenty fast enough and its only $235.00

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103539

Its only 200mhz slower on the operating frequency and is the best deal and performance for the money..


Its not going to turn into a flame war... We are just correcting you.
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Here is a solid build for your budget.. :whistling:



http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813127222

89.99 -$10 mail in rebate = 79.99



http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103537

$113.00


http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145440


$74.00


http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811119047

$44.99

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817153023

$39.99
($29.99 after $10.00 Mail-In Rebate)


http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130283

$179.00
($164.00 after $15.00 Mail-In Rebate)
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good mobo

better mobo

good chip

better chip

RAM

good vid card

better vid card

Power supply to run the better mobo

a high quality 24pin PSU of at least 480 is neccisary to run a DFI for overclocking. Period the end.


The vid card will be outdated first. It will be around a year or so before game producers start to use DX10 enough to make it worthwile, so waiting a couple of months to pay $500+ for just a new card is a waste IMHO. I'd say go with better mobo, required PSU and good vid card, and your preference of CPU.

Edited by JourneyMan, 19 April 2006 - 09:33 PM.

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JRMs setup comes in at about $370 which is really good considering that would be a seriously good system for the money, capable of playing the latest games well. Its alot of really good stuff for not alot of cash. PSU and Case very good deal, Coolermaster is one of the best case makers and thermaltake make great PSUs, cant get any better on a budget.

Edited by warriorscot, 19 April 2006 - 01:24 PM.

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JRMs setup comes in at about $370 which is really good considering that would be a seriously good system for the money, capable of playing the latest games well. Its alot of really good stuff for not alot of cash. PSU and Case very good deal, Coolermaster is one of the best case makers and thermaltake make great PSUs, cant get any better on a budget.



Ya it came to about $370 with everything but the video card. Choose a video card to your liking but you wont get much performance in a video card that costs less than the 7600gt I suggested..
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for £220 ( dunno what that is in $ ) i just got a Gigabyte nForce 430 S939 PCIE MATX DUAL CH DDR400X4 TV OUT and an AMD 64 3700+ including delivery from dabs.com now thats pretty decent .. altho i cant get it to work yet as i think i need a new PSU so it may cost me more but i was intending on getting a new case with a PSU supplied with it anyway , its the A-Top X-Blade ranging from around £50 to £100 so in total i will have spent around £320 for a pretty decent upgrade, hop this gives u some ideas :whistling:
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Yeah but those are systems coming dirt cheap from eastern Europe, my uncle got a new system 6 months ago for £600 Monitor good case and PSU, gig of ram gigabyte mobo and a 3700+ only downer was the 6600GT but the system was still cheap. All from Liddl the shop everyone gos to but never admits to going there.
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Alright. If you are going for gaming, it is going to be hard to get that. I am assuming you have a fan from your DELL. I also assume you have everything except CPU, motherboard, memory, and video card.

The first thing you want is a good mobo and CPU.

CPU is an Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice Core)
http://www.tigerdire...p?EdpNo=1366603

DFI Nforce4 Infinity
http://www.tigerdire...1495397&CatId=0

Ultra Case with good 500W PSU
http://www.tigerdire...5&Sku=TC3J-2082

256MB X800 GTO
http://www.tigerdire...1648387&CatId=0
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What do you all think about this board?

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131540

Are there enough IDE ports for two optical drives and two hard drives? I can't find it listed and I can't tell just by looking.

Thanks for all your help everyone!
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