So I am for IDcards and for their being carried at all times. What is it like where you are then, and how do you feel about them.
How do stand on IDcards
#1
Posted 19 July 2006 - 06:54 PM
So I am for IDcards and for their being carried at all times. What is it like where you are then, and how do you feel about them.
#2
Posted 19 July 2006 - 07:01 PM
Johanna
#3
Posted 20 July 2006 - 12:36 AM
They already have the technology and have tested it. There seems to be a lot of movement in the US to have mandatory chips for hospital patients. And as well, I believe, it is being muted for immigrants on the Mexican Border.What would be next? A microchip in our skin with a built in GPS?
This will just be the beginning - no, that's not quite correct - the beginning was having mandatory chipping for our animals. That was to get the public used to the idea of chipping. The animal chipping which is mandatory in my town (though I've not had my animals done - they are concerned about their privacy! ) seems like a total waste to me cause if someone's dog is caught by the dog catcher it just sits in the dog pound until the owners contact the pound to see if it's there (and the pound get to charge an inexcusable amount per day before releasing it). So what's the point of the authorities insisting that animals be microchipped in order that they can be identified when nothing is done here to return them to their owners? And what was wrong with a metal disk attached to the animal collar?
ID cards have been an issue here in Australia on numerous occasions. I truly believe the Government will bring them in on the back of a really big blown out issue when we're not looking! They'll start with issuing them for welfare payments stating that no welfare will be paid unless one has a card - which kind of takes choice away from many people.
The move to force ID cards on British citizens has resulted in Neil Tennant and Chris Lowe (former Tony Blair supporters) to pen the following lyrics on the album Fundamental (The Pet Shop Boys)
I'm totally against it and will resist with all my might - cause the very next step is microchipping and I do believe that is well and truly on the agenda. Smacks too much of control for me!If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear. If you've something to hide you shouldn't even be here. You've had your chance now we've got the mandate. If you've changed your mind I'm afraid it's too late. We're concerned you're a threat. You're not integral to the project.
#4
Posted 20 July 2006 - 05:00 PM
Microchipping would have advatages, eg health monitoring would be handy to know if people are in distress and can send out emergancy services without being called, that would be good for some.
Microchiping for animals just makes sense if the animal gets lost and loses its collar as happens alot it takes seconds to find the animals owners details and phone them up, its the first thing they do when an animal is picked up if its chipped you can have it back right away.
#5
Posted 20 July 2006 - 07:29 PM
So let me spilt this idea in three then by asking:
Are you for an IDcard, only as a replacement passport?
Are you for an IDcard as a universal replacement of your other cards including passport?
Are you for carrying an ID as law?
#6
Posted 21 July 2006 - 04:37 AM
2. No again ineffective impossible to put information from all your papers on one card easily and its a much large security risk, no one carries a passport unless neccesary its very hard to steal all of someones papers if its one card thats easy to steal, its also more easy to steal one large database than it is alot of little ones in different places.
3. Never and itll never be let happen here without alot of hassle so much that it would be enough to end government and the next one would have to revoke it.
#7
Posted 21 July 2006 - 05:33 AM
2. No
3. No
For reasons very similar or the same as Scot's. I do believe many governments do have this as an agenda. I also believe many of them are very wary of trying to bring it in. I think they are already working on the very young, though, so it will be easier to bring in with the next generation. There are schools here in Australia who have student ID cards which the students use to clock in each morning and which are used for canteen and uniform shop purchases. It was muted at my childrens' school but didn't get very far.
I believe there is too much opportunity for abuse - both by criminals and governments.
#8
Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:10 AM
#9
Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:20 AM
#10
Posted 21 July 2006 - 08:25 AM
Geneva is almost all surrounded by France(only a small area is conected with the next canton Vaud) so it has become so normal that one carries the passport then but the card fits into my wallet.
Edited by fleamailman, 21 July 2006 - 08:26 AM.
#11
Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:52 AM
You need ID to buy tobacco but tobacco itself is on the way out here and they are raising the age to 18 anyway and most people of 18 will have at least a provisional driving liscence anyway or a passport why would they need anything else.
And is your ID card fully biometric with a data chip containing all your personal records and database references to that data. Thats just one impracticality of the things, and then you have the fact that in order to read the cards you need rather sophisticated expensive kit doesnt make sense.
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