Posted 18 August 2006 - 01:29 AM
Posted 19 August 2006 - 09:14 PM
It's now common place for kids in school to circumvent filters through the use if proxies and other methods. Some people are proud to have never paid for broadband because they steal it from their neighbors.
We've followed the lead of the courts. We've never provided support with illegal software or sharing of copyrighted material. When the courts found the P2P software to be illegal (I think Kazaa was first) we stopped supporting it (all P2P software). In most of the world it's illegal to steal someones bandwidth.
We have network administrators on staff here, and it would be irresponsible for us to help someone hack a network, or gain admin privileges. I feel very comfortable with our terms of service, but we can't change the world.
Posted 20 August 2006 - 07:32 AM
I feel very comfortable with our terms of service, but we can't change the world.
On another forum, after I tactfully explained that it was not legal or ethical to do what the user requested information on, he shot me a PM, "Never mind, I'll just Google it!" Sigh.
Posted 24 August 2006 - 10:52 AM
That isn't too common in my school, most of the students there don't know how. If I have time, I might see if I could help our network admin around school, because I would like to learn more networking stuff and stop students from doing things they shouldn't at school.
It's now common place for kids in school to circumvent filters through the use if proxies and other methods.
That's sad if they 1) do it and 2) are proud of doing it.
Some people are proud to have never paid for broadband because they steal it from their neighbors.
Just listening to conversations at school it's amazing to know what a large percentage of students steal music with P2P programs. Something has to be done about that. Every time someone asks me if I do they get a long speech, but I don't think I convinced anyone yet. :nope: The media has a huge effect on many teens, so maybe they should try to do more since they are being ripped off. I've seen anti movie piracy commercials, but none for music or software piracy.
Posted 24 August 2006 - 11:39 AM
man thats what kids do its your job so to speak do it while you still can, i know im settnig a bad example but come on thats a bit sad, we had great fun learning about computers in computing the wrong way and i can tell you we learned alot more, it used to be the teachers could show us how to break and repair and secure networks until the schools secured the networks up the kazbaa so we were encouraged by the "blind eye" effect to go forth and learn ourselves youll find alot dont do anything wrong even if they break through the security the worst that ever happened at my school was someone installed media player classic and hid some music from the admin for listening while coding.
doing things they shouldn't at school
Other notable achievements, changing the wallpapers,breaking teachers passwords to discover what filesharing apps they used(yes teachers were the worst they used the schools massive bandwidth to download at night some could fill that PCs HDD one night empty it to a laptop in the morning then do it again.) switch over to safer and faster internet browsers install new coding apps and packages, disable security to disinfect the machines of malware and get adaware in to clear out the pop ups.
All in all we pretty much did more network admin work than the admin who spent more time repairing old computers and electronics(he had to do all the media stuff as well so VHS players, dvd players and projectors were his too) so we basically did his job forum there were a few of us that were IT support in our various 6th year haunts and we did bypass security and did things we shouldnt but we didnt do them malicously and youll find most students dont they are usually curious(students what else are they) so while ild never help someone learn to break a network at school i wont condemn them cause i did the same thing and had great time doing it.
I had a friendly relationship with the network admin as well he didnt mind because in the end he had less work to do if we fixed the computers first, i even taught him the best ways to disinfect machines what apps work what dont and how to block the teachers file sharing. But i didnt help him block security holes we used for fun(he couldnt do it anyway he didnt have the skills and youll find alot of network admins at schools wont at least from the ones ive known here. Besides few students have the skills or bent to do it and you arent going to stop ones who do no matter how you try because they have the advantage of youth and not alot to do.
Piracy, not surprised its gone on since the begining of media, it usually results from A poor people, B High media costs. You would be surprised how many people use the latest version of photoshop regularly its $600 a pop yet i know a dozen people with it its amaznig, what i do is usually show people the just as good or better open source apps theres rarely a need to pirates software these days, music well its rampant but its also expensive so its to be expected but as young people get older and get there own money they usually switch over to legal download services from what ive seen, or its not p2p they use but simply old fashioned CD lending or in these modern time ipod uploading.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 03:02 PM
Edit: Apparently I can't say H-E-double hockey sticks. My apologies
Edited by Aushin, 02 September 2006 - 03:03 PM.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 04:13 PM
Besides that, there are many moral and ethical reasons why "downloading media" should not be done whether or not it is illegal. I don't have the money to buy a ton of music, so I just don't buy or "download" it.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 05:21 PM
Posted 02 September 2006 - 05:43 PM
I guess, morally speaking, I tend to focus my outrage on things that are more...outrageous.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 07:47 PM
Edited by sarahw, 03 September 2006 - 04:32 AM.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 07:55 PM
But if nobody bought music, how would the record makers get money to pay the artist?
Morals and ethics are great, but regardless of whether I do or do not download music (or would you prefer I said pirate? seems that way) record labels are going to make millions of dollars and the artists they own are still going to make a bundle doing a dream job.
Aside from the moral implications, think of the economy - the more money used to purchase CDs and music the more money that goes into the economy and to stockholders (which sarahw mentioned).
There are internet (and conventional) radio stations that you can listen to for free legally. I'd recommend searching for some with the music genre you like to listen to.
Posted 02 September 2006 - 10:44 PM
The big record companies aren't the only one who feels the pain of your theivery, the ever shrinking number of corner record stores who now just don't have the sales,
I dont believe thats an entirely accurate statement for your argument. I am willing to bet that that the mom-and-pop record stores aren't getting shut down by the P2P programs and individual piracy, but instead by the availabilty of music, by online purchases (where I get mine at). Which just happens to not only affect Music stores, but also your local retailers and municiple tax revenues.
PS...Lets try to to refrain from name calling, such as THIEF. This thread is under the "Serious Discussion" forum and while other opinions may not be your own, they are just that "Other peoples Opinions".
Posted 03 September 2006 - 12:54 AM
And the problem with the state of the economy (America's at least) isn't the consumer. It's the producer. If there were anything left in the country that were affordable on a working class salary, maybe the P2P boom wouldn't have been so powerful.
Posted 03 September 2006 - 08:18 AM
Now, stores do put out free samples, and artists do provide free downloads. Why? To get you do buy their product. They recognize that not everyone who tries a free sample will buy, but they also know that people will be enticed to buy something they may not have otherwise considered. This is considered the cost of doing business. It does not entitle us to take items that are not offered as free samples.
Everytime music is downloaded without paying for it, everytime grapes are eaten and not paid for, there's the possibility that consumer prices will increase to offset the losses. You do yourself no favors, then, by doing this - you're simply helping to drive up the prices that you say are too high to afford to begin with.
Posted 03 September 2006 - 08:38 AM
I make a point if i buy music to buy it from a shop cheaper alot of the time and i like having the extras. Small corner shops face alot of difficulties and its not just the record stores that are going its every other non franchise or chain store on the high street so you cant blame p2p for that. Youll find that where markets dont conform to the normal supply and demand people do one of two things steal it or stop using it, and if its easy to steal you get the robin hood affect, if the price is low enough and you dont have any aversions to the transmission medium or market then you find people will pay for things happily but when you increase prices out of the range of what people can afford or think acceptable then you encounter problems.
For the internet generations you see people who are computer literate and have access to how there money is distributed, now when you consider how little goes to artists and how much goes to organisations like the RIAA you see where people want to find alternatives here you see why allofmp3 is popular.
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