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I think James was trying to tell you that 1300 is what the system you want costs and its $500 over budget and its as cheap as an intel system to your standard will get.
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Yes that is more or less what i was trying to say, though once he removes the things he already has it will be a little lower, but you still will be blowing you budget and I hadn't even added the taxes or shipping into the figures.

As for overclocking, 667MHz is just borderline when it comes from overclocking, I'd really suggest 800MHz or more (more then 800MHz is out of the question for this build though, huge premium for that ram). If however you do plan on sticking with one of those two, they are both the same, good name brand, same price, though some say crucial is a better overclocking ram, I'm not sure whether this is true or not but really overclocking is hit and miss with all components, so opinions will vary. The only thing that may vary between the two is the timings that are a performance factor, the lower they are the better.
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Edited by james_8970, 16 March 2007 - 06:40 PM.

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Hey Guys, sorry I took a while to reply, anyways. ..

I decided to spend a bit more on the Graphics Card and the Ram...

Could you please pick out one that's best? for Video Card and for RAM .. Please

Video Card Choices
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1558

^--------Please pick the #1, #2, #3 best choices.. just so i know

and for ram:
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1554
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1554
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1554
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1554
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1554


also, i looked up some motherboards, maybe you could tell me which ones are good:

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1572

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1572

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1572

Edited by pers, 21 March 2007 - 01:13 PM.

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thanks in advance

pers

Edited by pers, 21 March 2007 - 11:41 AM.

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All that ram is the same but from different well known companies. Of course the more expensive one is the best out of them all though. If your planning on overclocking I strongly suggest you take this ram over the others.
http://www.tigerdire...a...=0&NoMapp=0

As for the video card, wait is the key word for now, processors prices are going to drop in april, and I mean a steep drop off and new video cards will be released thoughout april and may. If you can wait till may maybe even June, your wallet will thank you for doing it.

I wasn't really clear why you should wait for the video card.....in april Nvidea will release their midrange graphics cards and ATI will be releasing graphics cards all over the board, but it'll be as early as the beginning of may till as late as the middle of June. It's up to you if you want to wait that long. By the way I refuring to DX10 cards, which you'll want for vista.
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Edit: this motherboard won't be any good for you, it's micro ATX, won't fit into your case.
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1572 = bad

Edited by james_8970, 21 March 2007 - 04:06 PM.

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All that ram is the same but from different well known companies. Of course the more expensive one is the best out of them all though. If your planning on overclocking I strongly suggest you take this ram over the others.
http://www.tigerdire...a...=0&NoMapp=0

As for the video card, wait is the key word for now, processors prices are going to drop in april, and I mean a steep drop off and new video cards will be released thoughout april and may. If you can wait till may maybe even June, your wallet will thank you for doing it.

I wasn't really clear why you should wait for the video card.....in april Nvidea will release their midrange graphics cards and ATI will be releasing graphics cards all over the board, but it'll be as early as the beginning of may till as late as the middle of June. It's up to you if you want to wait that long. By the way I refuring to DX10 cards, which you'll want for vista.
James



Edit: this motherboard won't be any good for you, it's micro ATX, won't fit into your case.
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=1572 = bad



Thanks james, my budget isn't THAT tight, i can build a system now... All i'm asking for, is which video card is better, or which ram is better etc.. could you please give me advice from a point of view based on the Video Cards' specs etc... please? thank you for pointing out about the motherboard, and about the ram
please give me some advice about the video cards though, i'm asking you very much, please!

P.S. I'm not planning to get Vista, as many people tell me it's a huge load of Cr@p (and, no, please do not try to convicce me it's not, even if i'm wrong, please)

Thank you very much, i'll be waiting for your advice, please...

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I'm not going to try to convince you, but I just want to make sure one thing is clear regarding vista. If you are a gamer, it'll be required within a year as all games are going to at some point require this.
If you not on quite as tight of a budget you'll probably want to find a set of dual channel ram, preferably. You'll want to look at these VGA charts as guide lines. VGA charts
The reason why vista is more imporant is because of DX10, it'll only be avaiblable on vista. But why exactly is it so impoartant? New DX10 enabled hardware I guess you could call it, processes information differently. With old cards, you'd could find yourself in plases in games where you'll find vertex intensive exxample an RTS with lots of unites on the map or in a shadder intensive place example outdoors in oblivion. In these cases the opposite shaders would be sitting around doing nothing, however with the unifided shaders a vertex shader can process shades as well as pixel shadders being able to process other things such as the geometry of unites and so forth. This way you'll truly see 100% of the performance that you paid for.
However I've run out of time. Use those benchmarks to guide you, there really are to many variables to explain on what you need for a graphics card. O and don't let the onboard ram fool you, the more it has doesn't mean that'll perform better, only to a point will onboard ram make a difference, but you need a high end card to really see it.
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Hi all, thank you for your reply James

I decided to go with Core 2 Duo e6600 4mb L2 cache :whistling: , the only thing i'm unsure about is the ram, i have a few thoughts and can u guys please help me choose?

My motherboard supports up to 800mhz ram speed

Here are some thoughts:

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

Please have a look at these, they mostly differ in the latencies, and btw, do i have to set the latencies to like 4-4-4-12 when i install them? Do i have to alter the latencies in any way at all?

Thank you very much, i'll be looking forward to your reply

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can you guys please answer?
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Hi all, thank you for your reply James

I decided to go with Core 2 Duo e6600 4mb L2 cache :whistling: , the only thing i'm unsure about is the ram, i have a few thoughts and can u guys please help me choose?

My motherboard supports up to 800mhz ram speed

Here are some thoughts:

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261

Please have a look at these, they mostly differ in the latencies, and btw, do i have to set the latencies to like 4-4-4-12 when i install them? Do i have to alter the latencies in any way at all?

Thank you very much, i'll be looking forward to your reply

Pers



It depends on what motherboard you choose and what it says on the specifications of the mobo. Some conroe motherboards list what voltage and timings of ram are recommended to work with the particular motherboard and if you ended up getting ram that differed all you would have to do is go into the bios and change the timings and/or voltage.

Id try to get some ram with the 4-4-4-12 latency.

I would get either the Corsair, OCZ or Crucial Ballistix with the 4-4-4-12 latency any of them is fine just get the cheapest one of those.

You shouldnt have to change anything but some of these newer 775 motherboards do have certain specs on memory.

Edited by jrm20, 04 April 2007 - 02:49 PM.

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this one I think is the best, and cheapest since it's a final clearance, latencies are great and well as well as the memory speed. I'm actually contemplating on buy it myself...this is a good find. best price I've seen for a while.
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261
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this one I think is the best, and cheapest since it's a final clearance, latencies are great and well as well as the memory speed. I'm actually contemplating on buy it myself...this is a good find. best price I've seen for a while.
http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261
James


:whistling: I'm glad you liked it James, and thank you, once again, for your reply.

I have kept my eye on this ram for a while now, and it dropped $40 in price, therefore, I also think it's a great buy. The only think I'm not too sure about is the timings.. I was thinking on either getting the Corsair (800mhz 4-4-4-12 latency) OR the OCZ ram (also 800mhz but 4-4-4-15) Is that 15 going to make a big difference over the 12?? Tell me what you think :blink:

p.s. I think both Corsair and OCZ have headspreaders, am I right?

p.p.s What about that Crucial Balistix ram? it, as well, has 800mhz and 4-4-4-12 latencies :help:

Edited by pers, 04 April 2007 - 04:38 PM.

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it'll make a very small difference, but not nearly enough of one to suggest the aprox 70$ difference.
James

Edited by james_8970, 04 April 2007 - 04:38 PM.

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The crucial ballistix says this:

Notice: Only valid when 2GB of memory and copy of Windows Vista are purchased together.


I would just try to find the best deal on PC6400 DDR2 800MHz memory by a Reputable company. If you dont have the extra cash to throw away just get the 5-5-5-X timing ram. You wont notice a big difference at all..


For the price this memory would be a good choice..

http://www.tigerdire...a...&CatId=2261
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Hi guys, i have another few questions :whistling:

1) Could you please recommend me a good CPU fan for my Core 2 Duo e6600 on TigerDirect.ca ?

2) When willl the Core 2 Duo Prices drop and what are they going to cost?

3) When will the Direct-X 10 Graphic Cards come out and what are they going go cost?

Thank you in advance

Yours Truly

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