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First time builder- will this even work together?


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I'm looking into building a computer, and so far this is what I think I'm putting in it.
It's a late birthday present up to $800-900, but after that I pay the difference, so I'm really trying to stay under $1,200.

I want to do a little gaming (the idea is if someone asked 'does it run Oblivion well?' and I could say 'yes', I would be a happy little camper), but other than that, I don't need too much from it, short of reliability.

The HD is fairly small, but I spent the past two years using a 30gig, 5-year-old HP laptop, so I think I can manage on 320.

Opinions?

Mobo-
ASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131142


CPU-
Intel Core 2 Duo E4400 Allendale 2.0GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115014

Memory-
CORSAIR XMS2 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145176

Video Card-
My original plan was to go with this-
EVGA 256-P2-N761-AR GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130084
but now I'm worried I won't be able to play Oblivion with it.
I don't really want to spend more than $250 on it, though, and I'd like a reliable brand like EVGA.


Hard Drive-
Western Digital Caviar RE WD3200YS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136053


Case (since the SonataII was discontinued since last I window shopped)-
Antec Sonata III Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129024


Monitor-
If I don't get a better video card, I can afford this one
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824001088
otherwise I'll probably bum one off of my significant other until I'm not broke.
If it really came down to it, I'd rather spend the excess $200 on better parts, and have a mediocre monitor, as it's not all that important to me, and we have about 5 perfectly good ones just laying around.


Are there any other important parts I'm overlooking?
Last time I built a computer I was about 11, and I had a parent helping me.
This time it's just me and whatever unfortunate/experienced friend I can wrangle into assembly.

I looked at all of my prospective parts, and I think they will all work together, but I am not absolutely positive, so I needed a little advice there.
... I'm buying the CPU fan when I get the computer put together, because I'm not certain how much room I'll have.

And I'm buying the CD drive seperately (because I am lazy, confused, and in love with my local giant electronics store).
I'm having a really hard time finding a black drive with good, reliable reviews... is that common?
I want a drive that reads CDs and DVDs, and burns CDs.
Burning DVDs is nice, but I don't need it necessarily.
Will I need to buy two drives?

I'm a little bit ranty and illogical, it's almost 3am here.... I'm going to leave this at this.
Thanks for any help.
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The HD is fairly small, but I spent the past two years using a 30gig, 5-year-old HP laptop, so I think I can manage on 320.

I wouldn't worry. I only have a 250GB and I am only using like 1/3 of it.

The 8600s are not that good. If you are going to play games then you should probity get an 8800GTS 320MB, here:
http://www.newegg.co...82E16814130082
It is the cheapest 8800GTS 320MB after mail and rebate for $269.99. Sorry to burst your bubble. The 8600s are just not worth the money.

Monitor-
If I don't get a better video card, I can afford this one
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824001088
otherwise I'll probably bum one off of my significant other until I'm not broke.
If it really came down to it, I'd rather spend the excess $200 on better parts, and have a mediocre monitor, as it's not all that important to me, and we have about 5 perfectly good ones just laying around.

I hope you will be able to get it. It is a very nice monitor.

Any of there drives should meet your needs, here:
http://www.newegg.co.....alue=382:6813
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The HD is fairly small, but I spent the past two years using a 30gig, 5-year-old HP laptop, so I think I can manage on 320.

I wouldn't worry. I only have a 250GB and I am only using like 1/3 of it.

The 8600s are not that good. If you are going to play games then you should probity get an 8800GTS 320MB, here:
http://www.newegg.co...82E16814130082
It is the cheapest 8800GTS 320MB after mail and rebate for $269.99. Sorry to burst your bubble. The 8600s are just not worth the money.

Monitor-
If I don't get a better video card, I can afford this one
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824001088
otherwise I'll probably bum one off of my significant other until I'm not broke.
If it really came down to it, I'd rather spend the excess $200 on better parts, and have a mediocre monitor, as it's not all that important to me, and we have about 5 perfectly good ones just laying around.

I hope you will be able to get it. It is a very nice monitor.

Any of there drives should meet your needs, here:
http://www.newegg.co.....alue=382:6813


Wow, thank you.
I just have to figure out if I can fit that card in the case, and if I need a new power supply now.

I really hope I can get the monitor too.
I think I'll be able to pull it off, even with the better video card.
Especially since the power supply the case comes with should be fine with it, for now at least.

Thank you very much for your help.
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To find out the power supply use eXtreme Power Supply Calculator v2.5. It is one of the most accurate and most updated, here:
http://www.extreme.o...ucalculator.jsp
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One DVD burner will do the job nicely, you can get them pretty cheap. Here's one for $30.

Also 4GB of RAM is unnecessary, if you have 32-bit OS then it won't recognise all of it anyway. I reckon 2GB is well and truly sufficient. This is a much cheaper option for a 2GB kit, especially with an awesome rebate right now from OCZ, takes it to $60 - this RAM also has lower latencies. Then you can use the money saved to upgrade your processor a little more, to something like this.
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Especially since the power supply the case comes with should be fine with it, for now at least.

This is an incorrect assumption that many make. The PSU's that come with a case are low end and what can you expect, your not paying anything for it or next to nothing. The PSU is the most important part of the computer that many people overlook, a 600W branded PSU doesn't equal a 600W generic PSU, by taking the PSU that comes in the case you risk frying all your components inside of your case.
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I also agree with james's statement, but it's a difficult call because Antec is a pretty good brand. Personally, I would try and find a case with no PSU and grab a separate one. It might add up to a little bit more, but would most probably be worth it.
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I also agree with james's statement, but it's a difficult call because Antec is a pretty good brand.

This is also an incorrect assumption that many make. Even though it's branded they use the bottom end of the production line as well as lower end components such as capacitors to do the job, which as an effect decreases reliability, efficiency and performance. They do so to cut corners as their margins will be smaller when they add a PSU to a case, due to higher costs of a bundle opposed to a single item.
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One DVD burner will do the job nicely, you can get them pretty cheap. Here's one for $30.

Also 4GB of RAM is unnecessary, if you have 32-bit OS then it won't recognise all of it anyway. I reckon 2GB is well and truly sufficient. This is a much cheaper option for a 2GB kit, especially with an awesome rebate right now from OCZ, takes it to $60 - this RAM also has lower latencies. Then you can use the money saved to upgrade your processor a little more, to something like this.


Yeah, it really is.
The reason I was even going to buy it was the last time I was shopping was a few months ago, and it was like $169 for 4gb, and I saw no reason not to buy it, at such a crazy price, but since it's $300, I'm going for 2gb, and decided to go with $150 memory and a $300 processor, instead of the other way around.

This is what I'm looking at now, for around $1100.


Antec Sonata III Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129024


ASUS P5N-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131142


Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Conroe 3.0GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115028


CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145177


EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130082


Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148140




I also agree with james's statement, but it's a difficult call because Antec is a pretty good brand.

This is also an incorrect assumption that many make. Even though it's branded they use the bottom end of the production line as well as lower end components such as capacitors to do the job, which as an effect decreases reliability, efficiency and performance. They do so to cut corners as their margins will be smaller when they add a PSU to a case, due to higher costs of a bundle opposed to a single item.
James


I talked to a friend about the power supply, and he swears back and forth that it should be fine, and that the power supplies that come with Antec cases are good.
I think I will end up buying one, but locally instead of on Newegg... Maybe I'll look for a package deal, I know some of the stuff I'm buying has them.
Any suggestions on brands?
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The brands that we have listed there are good quality, are you going to change them?

Here is a different option if you don't have your heart set on that case and that case only:

Sea Sonic Power Supply $109.99
Cooler Master Case $29.99 with rebate

This only adds up to a little bit more.
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The brands that we have listed there are good quality, are you going to change them?

Here is a different option if you don't have your heart set on that case and that case only:

Sea Sonic Power Supply $109.99
Cooler Master Case $29.99 with rebate

This only adds up to a little bit more.


Enh, I really like the case.
I was really set on the Antec Sonata II, but they discontinued it, and this was the next best thing.
I'm really partial to the little door and all the locking bits, and I want something simple-looking and black.

I guess at this point I'm just going to try to find a decent-quality power supply.
I don't understand the calculator, but should 550-600W be enough?
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Yes, 550-600W would be fine. Try to go with reputable brands, such as Antec, Thermaltake, OCZ, Hiper, Xion, or PC Power and Cooling. Whatever you do, stay away from the "burn down your house" brands, such as Powmax.

As for your motherboard, I would stay away from ASUS. Half of the people here will love them, half will hate them. This is because only half of their motherboards actually work. :whistling: I would go with this one by EVGA. It's cheaper too. :blink:

Also, in the interest of saving you even more money, that processor is overkill. I would go with the E6750, it's a much better value. With the money you save, you might want to go with the 640mb version of the 8800gts. Double the memory makes a world of difference.
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I have that mobo and I killed it the second day with my PSU, (LOL, James would know) so I would go with some good PSU because thats what the whole PC is dependent on. I would either go with Enermax or OCZ. I'm really tired so sorry for any spelling mistakes.

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