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IVIrW4TZ

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Whats up guys? Just building a new computer and need some help on finding out if everything is compatible with each other and that I am heading in the right direction. Thanks.

Case: Logisys Hand-Crafted Pre-Assembled Acrylic Case *Limited Edition*
http://www.xoxide.co...rylic-case.html

Power Supply: Thermaltake / ToughPower / 750-Watt / ATX / 140mm Fan / SATA Ready / SLI Ready / PFC/EPS / Power Supply
http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=T925-2232

Motherboard: Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition NVIDIA Socket AM2 ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / SLI Ready / Gigabit LAN / Wirelss 802.11b/g / S/PDIF / USB 2.0 & Firewire / Serial ATA / RAID
http://www.tigerdire...e...&CatId=2320

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Black Edition Processor ADX6400CZWOF - 3.20GHz, 2MB Cache, 1000MHz (2000 MT/s) FSB, Windsor, Dual-Core, Retail, Socket AM2 (940), Processor - No Fan
http://www.tigerdire...p?EdpNo=3273141

Memory: OCZ 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820227248

Video Card: EVGA GeForce 8800 GTS SSC Video Card - FREE Crysis PC Game, 640MB GDDR3, PCI Express, SLI Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card
http://www.tigerdire...e...&CatId=2514

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 750GB Hard Drive - 7200, 16MB, Serial ATA-300, OEM
http://www.tigerdire...AIN#detailspecs

Disc Drive: Lite-On Super-Multi LH20A1H Lightscribe DVD Burner - 20x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD±R DL, 12x DVD-RAM, Internal, Black-Beige
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=L12-1124

Cooling: I have a couple 80mm led red fans, and I have a thermaltike ruby orb cpu fan.

Using Vista. Lemme know if everything will work together and also lemme know if there could be any possible upgrades.

**Not looking to get a better graphics card. That is what I prefer**

**Updated at 1:15pm Eastern time November 28th**

Edited by IVIrW4TZ, 28 November 2007 - 12:17 PM.

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i would suggest more ram perhaps? but overall i feel its a strong build.
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Well the reason I went with two is because I heard when buying 4gb of ram you will need to get Vista 64-bit. And I didnt know if all the same games I play now are compatible with 64-bit or not. Lemme know.

If so, I have another set I would like to show you guys.

Edited by IVIrW4TZ, 28 November 2007 - 04:38 AM.

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nah thats not true. You can have 4gb on 32bit vista although you need to activate some sort of mechanism to allow it.
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Would it be easier to just get 64? And do you know if all my programs will be compatible with 64?
Also if anyone knows, what mechanism do I need to use to run 4gb on 32bit.?
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i would suggest more ram perhaps? but overall i feel its a strong build.


Please do not recommend things if you don't know what you are talking about. Two gigs of DDR2 800 are more than enough for even a gaming rig. Also I recommend you go Intel because they have the best CPUs at the moment. If you are buying from US then Newegg.com is the site you wanna be buying from because they have cheaper prices. Next time can you just leave the links and not CODE tag them because now they are unclickable.

Would it be easier to just get 64? And do you know if all my programs will be compatible with 64?
Also if anyone knows, what mechanism do I need to use to run 4gb on 32bit.?


Yes if you are getting a 64-bit CPU you should be getting a 64-bit OS. Also I had a 32-bit Beta version of Vista and my 4 gigs showed and worked perfectly. And yes the programs are compatible.

It is Windows XP that does not allow more memory than 3 ~ 3.5 Gb.

Soorena

Edited by SOORENA, 28 November 2007 - 07:00 AM.

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What Intel Cpu should I go with? This was my other choice:

Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 Processor HH80557PJ0804MGS - 3.0GHz, 4MB Cache, 1333MHz FSB, Conroe, Dual-Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor
http://www.tigerdire...p?EdpNo=3274083

Motherboard: ASUS P5K-VM LGA 775 Intel G33 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131187

*Oh yeah, whats wrong with code tags? I do it because its makes it more organized.!*

Edited by IVIrW4TZ, 28 November 2007 - 12:31 PM.

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*Oh yeah, whats wrong with code tags? I do it because its makes it more organized.!*

It's just easier if we can just click the link instead of copying the URL and pasting it on the address bar.
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Ooo ok thats cool.
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I went and looked on Newegg.Com, Sorena, and the only thing that I found that was cheaper was the memory sticks. Rather then $200, I am spending $114. Thanks.
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i would suggest more ram perhaps? but overall i feel its a strong build.


Please do not recommend things if you don't know what you are talking about. Two gigs of DDR2 800 are more than enough for even a gaming rig. Also I recommend you go Intel because they have the best CPUs at the moment. If you are buying from US then Newegg.com is the site you wanna be buying from because they have cheaper prices. Next time can you just leave the links and not CODE tag them because now they are unclickable.

Would it be easier to just get 64? And do you know if all my programs will be compatible with 64?
Also if anyone knows, what mechanism do I need to use to run 4gb on 32bit.?


Yes if you are getting a 64-bit CPU you should be getting a 64-bit OS. Also I had a 32-bit Beta version of Vista and my 4 gigs showed and worked perfectly. And yes the programs are compatible.

It is Windows XP that does not allow more memory than 3 ~ 3.5 Gb.

Soorena

With two gigs of DDR2-800 RAM, my system struggles with Gears of War and Crysis on high resolutions. Four gigs clears up that problem very nicely. 4GB of RAM is becoming very important for gaming, especially with a resource hog of an OS like Vista.

Also, having a 64-bit CPU does not necessitate getting a 64-bit OS. Almost every CPU currently made is 64-bit, but they run 32-bit OSes just as well as 64-bit OSes.

Lastly, 32-bit XP and 32-bit Vista both only show and use about 3-3.5GB of RAM. This is due to the mathematical constraints of a 32-bit environment, in which the system can only reference 2^32 bytes of memory. This is equal to approximately 4.3GB. However, this amount isn't only for RAM, it is for all memory space that needs to be addressed, including virtual memory (page file) and other dedicated memory, such as those found on video cards. Even peripherals that do not have dedicated memory take up memory address space. Therefore, once all this is accounted for, 32-bit OSes typically only show 3-3.5GB of RAM even if 4+GB are present.

And as for XP only showing and using about 3-3.5GB of RAM, this is true only for 32-bit XP. 64-bit XP can use up to 128GB of RAM.

So I would think twice before telling someone off about not knowing what they are talking about next time. :)
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i would suggest more ram perhaps? but overall i feel its a strong build.


Please do not recommend things if you don't know what you are talking about.


Actually I do, and the post before this actually nicely makes my point.

I did however misread the question and yes, 4GB will be great and stettybet0 is right to the t.
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Take a look at these test results before Vista came out. They tested the new games back then and see how little improvements it gives:
http://www.bcchardwa...o...5&Itemid=40

Also I am not saying that having 4gb of memory is bad and the only reason I have 4gb is because I got the second pair FREE, :). If you want to save money I would concentrate more on other parts than getting the maximum memory, like for example the CPU and motherboard maybe? If you are going with Intel and you have the money then I would wait till the new CPUs come out and then I would recommend you to buy a quad core. If you can't wait then the one you suggested is fine. As for the motherboard its your choice you can get a cheap one that is not very overclock friendly or get a good one that is highly overclockable.
comanighttrain I'm sorry but I didn't read the previous post fully and I do find my post offensive so I apologize.

Soorena

EDIT: I just noticed the E6850 AND Q6600 are the same price, see the problem is that the Quad Core is like the old Pentium D when it first came out, it wasn't really a dual core CPU Intel just wanted to be the first one to release a dual core cpu, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, that this is the same with the current Quad Core. The real ones are the Penryns just like Core 2 Duos which are the real dual cores. So I don't know if I should recommend you to get the Quad Core.

Edited by SOORENA, 28 November 2007 - 07:32 PM.

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Take a look at these test results before Vista came out. They tested the new games back then and see how little improvements it gives:
http://www.bcchardwa...o...5&Itemid=40

Only thing I need to quote from this article is the following

Tuesday, 10 October 2006

Vista hadn't even been released at this time and was still in beta, not to mention we are now more then a year after this article was published and games are much more demanding.
I was just running Crysis because I was curious myself whether or not Crysis does indeed require more then 2GB of RAM. The answer, depending on which settings your running yes it does. I ran it at 1680x1050 at high to very high settings without AF or AA and was peaking around at 2100mb of RAM. If you have a higher end system then me, running with AA on, you'd likely hit the 2.5GB range fairly easily.

I just noticed the E6850 AND Q6600 are the same price, see the problem is that the Quad Core is like the old Pentium D when it first came out, it wasn't really a dual core CPU Intel just wanted to be the first one to release a dual core cpu, I think and correct me if I'm wrong, that this is the same with the current Quad Core. The real ones are the Penryns just like Core 2 Duos which are the real dual cores. So I don't know if I should recommend you to get the Quad Core.

This is both right and wrong. The quads are two dual cores "glued" together, but they aren't quite as bad as the Pentium D era. Penyns are just a die shrink of the Conroe or Core2duo chips, there are no significant changes to the micro architecture of the chip. SSE4 support, increased transistor density, increased cache and the die shrink are all tweaks to the chip. Also, keep in mind, Intels non native quad cores still beat AMD's new native quad's. So don't assume that a native quad core chip will automatically achieve better performance. :)
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Ok after adding thought I have built myself another system. Here it goes.

Case: Logisys Hand-Crafted Pre-Assembled Acrylic Case *Limited Edition*
http://www.xoxide.co...rylic-case.html

Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Processor HH80562PH0568M - 2.40GHz, 8MB Cache, 1066MHz FSB, Kentsfield, Quad-Core, OEM, Socket 775, Processor
http://www.tigerdire...p?EdpNo=2643933

Motherboard: Asus P5K3 Deluxe WiFi-AP Motherboard - Intel P35, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, CrossFire Ready, PCI Express, WiFi, Dual Gigabit LAN, S/PDIF, USB 2.0 & Firewire, Serial ATA, RAID
http://www.tigerdire...e...&CatId=3355

Graphics Card: XFX GeForce 8800 GT Video Card - 512MB DDR3, PCI Express 2.0, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, Video Card
http://www.tigerdire...e...&CatId=1826

Memory: G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231122

Power Supply: Ultra / X-Finity / 600-Watt / ATX / Dual 80mm Fan / SATA-Ready / SLI Ready / Titanium / Power Supply
http://www.tigerdire.....ku=ULT31847 K

Cd/Dvd: Lite-On Super-Multi LH20A1H Lightscribe DVD Burner - 20x DVD±R Burn, 16x DVD±R Read, 8x DVD+RW, 6x DVD-RW, 8x DVD±R DL, 12x DVD-RAM, Internal, Black-Beige
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=L12-1124

Sound Card: Turtle Beach Montego 7.1 Dolby Digital Live Surround PCI Sound Card
http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=T777-1028

Cost:
Case: $64.99
Processor: $279.99
Motherboard: $279.99
Graphic Card: $309.99
Memory: $109.99
Power Supply: $59.99
Cd/Dvd: $36.99
Sound Card:$54.99

Approximately: $1196.92

SHOULD I DO IT?

Edited by IVIrW4TZ, 29 November 2007 - 01:24 AM.

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