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Ok, I've been looking over the numbers, and I can see that it will not be worth buying a skt 939 mobo now when I can just buy an AM2 or AM2+ mobo and new processor for an extra 100 dollars. Keeping in mind that I will need to buy new ram. It's amazing how much DDR 2 ram is now.

So here is what I need to know. Is my system (PSU, HD, CD ROM, Vid Card, Sound Card, Wireless card, etc.) is compatible with these new parts: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131095 also considering this = (http://www.newegg.co...82E16813131095R), http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103056 , http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820134114 .

I also have a question about the different in wattage on the cpu's. There is an option between 65W, 89W, and 125W. I also have t option for the Cache to be 512, or 1mb. What do these options mean, and which core is better? The Brisbane, or the windsor?

Also, what is the difference between 64x2 and operton? and the difference between the socket AM2 and AM2+.

In addition to this, what do you guys think of the quad core and the future of it? is it strong, or do you think that it is behind the game with intel?
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anyone?
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Ok i checked out your stuff and it should all work, although i do reccomend getting 2GB of ram instead of just one(you can get 1 stick of 2gb or 2x 1gb) since its nice to have more ram in games and stuff and it will make sure you can have windows vista(if, say, you wanted to play a directx 10 game) and it wont be slow as a snail.

Athlon 64x2 is a type of cpu more oriented towards home computers and the only reason it says x2 is because it is a dual core cpu(wonder if they're going to make athlon 64x4 cpu's...)
Opteron is a type of cpu oriented for servers.

As for quad core nothing(to my knowledge) uses it right now so its pretty much useless(unless you want bragging rights) cause in a year they will have better quad cores for a better price and more things will use more then 1 or 2 cores.

The wattage im not sure but i think its just if you wanna save power(energy bill?).

And the cache im also not sure about(although i do know that the wiki page is complicated)

The difference between am2 and am2+ is that am2+ is faster(i think) and all the amd quad cores use it.

Also i would take a look at this cpu since it has an unlocked multiplier(good for overclocking) only downside is it has no heatsink/fan(maybe about $30-$60): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103194

Edited by zoneykid, 12 January 2008 - 03:07 PM.

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Athlon 64x2 is a type of cpu more oriented towards home computers and the only reason it says x2 is because it is a dual core cpu(wonder if they're going to make athlon 64x4 cpu's...)
Opteron is a type of cpu oriented for servers.

They already made it, it's called the Phenom x4 and Phenom x3 processors. You'll see the tri core processors at a later date.

As for quad core nothing(to my knowledge) uses it right now so its pretty much useless(unless you want bragging rights)

Wrong, quad core CPU have alot of use right now in terms of multitasking and we are beginning to see more and more applications support it, more so multimedia applications at this time.

cause in a year they will have better quad cores for a better price and more things will use more then 1 or 2 cores.

There is always some better around the corner, that's what makes technology interesting.

And the cache im also not sure about(although i do know that the wiki page is complicated)

The cache is larger on Intel CPU's because they do not have a intergraded memory controller. Because of AMD's intergraded memory controller, the CPU has better access to RAM and smaller latencies allowing them to create a CPU with less cache. Next year Intel's CPU's will have much less cache as well, as Nehalem will have the intergraded memory controller.

I also have a question about the different in wattage on the cpu's. There is an option between 65W, 89W, and 125W. I also have t option for the Cache to be 512, or 1mb. What do these options mean, and which core is better? The Brisbane, or the windsor?

This depends on two things, what frequency the CPU is operating at and the manufacturing process (e.g. 65nm and 90nm).
The Windsor core is on a 90nm manufactuing process.
The Brisbane core is on a 65nm manufactuing process.
The smaller the manufactuing process the cooler and more energy efficient a chip will become.


In addition to this, what do you guys think of the quad core and the future of it? is it strong, or do you think that it is behind the game with intel?

At one point we had the Ghz war, now we are entering the core war. The more core you have, the better the computer you have, assuming all clock rates are the same. It's just that simple.

The difference between am2 and am2+ is that am2+ is faster(i think) and all the amd quad cores use it.

Wrong. AM2+ has a few added features, it's just filling a gap before AM3 enters the market. AMD quad cores are backwards compatible onto AM2 boards.

Get this memory.
James
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Wrong. AM2+ has a few added features, it's just filling a gap before AM3 enters the market. AMD quad cores are backwards compatible onto AM2 boards.

Get this memory.
James

Why do you think this memory is so much better? jw, in comparison to all the others out there?

This depends on two things, what frequency the CPU is operating at and the manufacturing process (e.g. 65nm and 90nm).
The Windsor core is on a 90nm manufactuing process.
The Brisbane core is on a 65nm manufactuing process.
The smaller the manufactuing process the cooler and more energy efficient a chip will become.

So are you saying that the lower the number "nm" then the cooler my processor will most likely run? cuz I would be also interested in that to prevent overheating.


Also i would take a look at this cpu since it has an unlocked multiplier(good for overclocking) only downside is it has no heatsink/fan(maybe about $30-$60): http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103194

I'm not looking to overclock, but is it a better cpu, or is it just more capable of letting you to overclock?

Thanks both of you for answering a lot of my questions!
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Why do you think this memory is so much better? jw, in comparison to all the others out there?

The RAM moduals are much better, what you had choosen is value RAM. This is 5$ more after mail in rebate, higher quality RAM and you recieve an additional GB of RAM.

So are you saying that the lower the number "nm" then the cooler my processor will most likely run? cuz I would be also interested in that to prevent overheating.

Yes, the lower number of nanometer (nm) will result in a cooler chip. Though, if a 90nm chip would overheat in one instance, the 90nm chip would overheat in the same instance as it doesn't run significantly cooler.

I'm not looking to overclock, but is it a better cpu, or is it just more capable of letting you to overclock?

Your paying additional money for an unlocked overclock. Don't buy it. Get this CPU.
James

Edited by james_8970, 13 January 2008 - 01:54 AM.

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ok, here is the big debate.

do I go with this one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103210 (what james suggested)

or this one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103056 (larger L2 cache, lower GHz, and higher nm) HMMM

for gaming, multitasking, and normal operations... along with some video editing (premier, pinnacle)



So would a Larger L2 cache do me good?
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Hmm you might be able to get the one with larger L2 and overclock it to 2.7ghz without getting it too hot with stock cooler(since its a fairly small overclock). But how much of a difference would a larger L2 cache be compared to .1 GHz?
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If your overclocking get Brisbane.
If your not get the Windsor.
If you want to conserve energy, get the Brisbane.

Clock for clock the Windsor core is slightly faster due to more cache.
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Hello,

In my opinion i would lean towards this CPU it overclocks nicely. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103194 $99.00
however there is no fan included nor heatsink: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835118019 for 59.99

just giving my 2 cents

those would be my choices
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Like I have already mentioned, if you have no intentions of overclocking. DO NOT consider the black version from AMD, it defeats the entire purchase of the CPU.

ok, here is the big debate.

do I go with this one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103210 (what james suggested)

or this one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103056 (larger L2 cache, lower GHz, and higher nm) HMMM

for gaming, multitasking, and normal operations... along with some video editing (premier, pinnacle)



So would a Larger L2 cache do me good?

I'd personally go with the Brisbane, the original one that I recommended.
James

Edited by james_8970, 14 January 2008 - 02:52 PM.

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ok, here is a good one for you guys...

what is a decent motherboard to go with these processors? ATX standard, with pci express (no SLI) rather have crossfire, and it runs dual channel RAM. (I'm running atleast 2 IDE devices) And I prefer Asus, but I'm open to others...

plz include the processor you would match them motherboard to, and let me know why you would combine it.


Thanks again guys, always good to get your opinions on builds.
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Budget please. Also, what do you plan on using the computer for?
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I'm looking to spend roughly 100 dollars, or less... I can go a few bucks over. I'm gonna be using this computer for gaming, video editing, and normal operation. I need 3 pci slots, unless the board has a firewire connection (for a harddrive). (PCI cards: firewire, sound card, and wireless lan card)
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Sorry about not posting earlier, I put my post in the wrong thread.
These are the motherboards I suggest, from best to worst.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131234 (not currently in stock)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130138 (only has 2 PCI ports, so might not be attractive to you)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130119
James

Edited by james_8970, 15 January 2008 - 08:32 PM.

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