I'm thinking of building another pc
#91
Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:45 PM
#92
Posted 25 January 2009 - 03:18 PM
The reason I say this is that most of the PCI USB cards are either all external or at most 1 internal (I saw one with 1 internal USB port and 1 header like you would find on a motherboard. Therefore, even if the drives are IDE, it would be easier to find an IDE PCI adapter card that can connect to 4 drives than to find a PCI USB card with four internal ports. A 2-port IDE PCI or PCIe card tends to be very common (2-ports = 4 drives).
Edited by PedroDaGR8, 25 January 2009 - 03:28 PM.
#93
Posted 25 January 2009 - 04:30 PM
The motherboard has only 1 IDE port for the floppy drive.Are you stuck with your USB enclosures? The reason is, the drives inside of the enclosures are usually IDE (or mobile IDE if 2.5") or SATA. This would mean you SHOULD be able to hook them right up to the motherboard.
This is what I want. I'll be buying 2 SYBA SD-SATA2-4IR PCI SATA II CONTROLLER CARD RAID 0/1/5/10 JBOD http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816124008 for all the SATA drives I'll eventually have. Do I have enough ports on the motherboard to fit an IDE PCI adapter card? The motherboard is a GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128343it would be easier to find an IDE PCI adapter card that can connect to 4 drives
If I have enough ports, what data cable would I need to connect them?
Edited by Denisejm, 25 January 2009 - 04:30 PM.
#94
Posted 25 January 2009 - 04:51 PM
If you look at the image of the motherboard, (Click on the image on newegg and select the third image in the new window that opens). The floppy port is the black port at the top near the left, while the IDE port is the green one on the right side.
Yeah you will be lacking PCI ports.
http://www.newegg.co...TECH-_-15158084
This should be an option though. It will use your PCIe x1 port.
So if you have FOUR IDE drives and one floppy, the floppy will go to the floppy port, 2 IDE drives will go to the motherboards IDE port and 2 can go to this card.
#95
Posted 25 January 2009 - 08:23 PM
Since I bought 36" SATA data cables, I picked out 36" IDE cables. Do you think I'll need 36"? http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812200109 . One review said "This is the only round 80-conductor cable I found that has some decent distance between the 2 drive connectors, it looks like: MB <-- 16" --> Slave <-- 20" --> Master" Is this distance thing good?
This is another one I found, but cheaper. I'm not sure if it's a good cable. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812104040
#96
Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:25 PM
Also, if you have a floppy drive. Don't forget you will need a floppy cable.
#97
Posted 25 January 2009 - 09:56 PM
When I left we were talking about the option of looking at expander cards that don't use PCI due to it's limit bandwidth. You're cheapest option will be the highpoint card below. You can save money and use IDE, but remember, you can only transfer 133mb/s over the PCI bus. Meaning, if you have 10 drives on 3 different PCI cards, those 10 drives can only transfer 133mb/s worth of data. A single modern hard drive could nearly saturate the bus alone. I highly recommend you look into some PCIe cards instead.This is what I want. I'll be buying 2 SYBA SD-SATA2-4IR PCI SATA II CONTROLLER CARD RAID 0/1/5/10 JBOD http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816124008 for all the SATA drives I'll eventually have. Do I have enough ports on the motherboard to fit an IDE PCI adapter card? The motherboard is a GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DQ6 LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813128343
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816115029
I cannot stress this enough, while it does has RAID capabilities, don't use them. These cards are not good for RAID purposes.
James
Edited by james_8970, 25 January 2009 - 10:40 PM.
#98
Posted 25 January 2009 - 10:22 PM
Edited by PedroDaGR8, 25 January 2009 - 10:28 PM.
#99
Posted 26 January 2009 - 12:27 AM
Originally, we were considering a number of ways to go and your last recommendation was what you said in your last post, but I didn't know that the hardware changed over what you originally recommended, back on page 3 (a lot of similar technical words not your prob). So I will not be buying the SYBA SD-SATA2-4IR PCI SATA II Controller Card.
I remember you saying this and it sounded very good.When I left we were talking about the option of looking at expander cards that don't use PCI due to it's limit bandwidth. You're cheapest option will be the highpoint card below. You can save money and use IDE, but remember, you can only transfer 133mb/s over the PCI bus. Meaning, if you have 10 drives on 3 different PCI cards, those 10 drives can only transfer 133mb/s worth of data. A single modern hard drive could nearly saturate the bus alone. I highly recommend you look into some PCIe cards instead.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16816115029
I cannot stress this enough, while it does has RAID capabilities, don't use them. These cards are not good for RAID purposes.
Will the HighPoint card handle both SATA and USB 2.0, or do I need a different card for the USB 2.0? If I need a different card for USB 2.0, please let me know which card and cables I should buy.
I'm not looking to save money, just want to get it working really good, where I don't feel like throwing my monitor out the window (I'm serious, lol).
Thanks . . . I appreciate your help.
I already have the daisy-chain power cables on my list. I really like these too.
Edited by Denisejm, 26 January 2009 - 12:46 AM.
#100
Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:05 AM
The only other one that I could find that was similar is "Silverstone CFP52B 5.25in to 3.5in Bay Converter w/ Hot-Swapping" http://www.aerocoole...d_id=CASSCFP52B Is this a good substitute?
#101
Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:24 AM
mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820146726
EDIT: I cancelled the order for this RAM because it's specs are DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) and the GIGABYTE mobo specs for RAM are DDR2 1200. Would you suggest another RAM for me, 4GB (2 x 2GB) if possible?
Edited by Denisejm, 26 January 2009 - 12:44 PM.
#102
Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:38 AM
Do I still need to buy this?
#103
Posted 26 January 2009 - 02:26 PM
No hard drive is USB. Open up the enclosures and look to see if they are IDE or SATA. Please tell me the exact number of each.Will the HighPoint card handle both SATA and USB 2.0, or do I need a different card for the USB 2.0? If I need a different card for USB 2.0, please let me know which card and cables I should buy.
Not to worry, I don't plan on getting you to spend anything more then what you have to. That being said, if you put 8 hard drives on the PCI interface, I can guarantee you that you'll regret making that decision.I'm not looking to save money, just want to get it working really good, where I don't feel like throwing my monitor out the window (I'm serious, lol).
I wouldn't recommend it, that drive bay was made for a particular Silverstone case called the Kublai and because of this, the fan will not fit infront of the hard drive and you may have issue installing the converter into your drives. With hard drives as close as they are inside these bays, I wouldn't recommend a setup without active cooling (a fan).The only other one that I could find that was similar is "Silverstone CFP52B 5.25in to 3.5in Bay Converter w/ Hot-Swapping
Yes, it's compatible.I just ordered the RAM that was originally chosen for the ASUS motherboard. I didn't think of it until after I purchased it, but will it be compatible with the GIGABYTE mobo?
To be honest, I cannot give you a definitive answer till you tell me the exact amount of IDE and SATA drives that you're going to have installed inside this case.James, when you made the list of things that I need to buy with the ASUS mobo, you listed "D&S Cable 8" 4pin Internal Power Connector to 2 SATA Power Adaptor Cable (Model 2SAC-02498) - Retail" http://www.newegg.co...N82E16812608228
Do I still need to buy this?
Lastly, in order to save on shipping and avoid ordering something you don't need, I highly recommend you delay you're purchase till you know about all the hardware you plan on installing/purchasing.
James
Edited by james_8970, 26 January 2009 - 02:30 PM.
#104
Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:25 PM
I Googled PCI interface and couldn't understand what it is, so I don't know what this sentence means. I don't plan on doing anything other than what you recommend. Just tell me what to buy and when the parts come in, I can connect them. If I run into a problem, I'll ask here. I'm won't have much problem installing the parts, I just don't understand the technical terms. I can't see them in my mind's eye but I can see the parts and the ports and the printed instructions, and your instructions. This is the second computer that I'll be building but the first one was nothing on this magnitude. Since I built one already, I have a pretty good understanding of what needs to be done. The hardest part was getting the fan attached to the heatsink, and I had to put a rubber doorstop on top of the backplate and hit it hard with the butt of a screwdriver in order to get it out. I read later that the case I had was known for this issue. I just want to set your mind to ease and let you know that I won't be buying anything that isn't recommended. I don't know what to buy. I'll ask first. I won't be buying that converter. I put my name on the backorder list at NewEgg for the one that you recommended. Hopefully, they'll get some more in. I went to the site of the company that makes them and they didn't have any for sale. Not a good sign.if you put 8 hard drives on the PCI interface, I can guarantee you that you'll regret making that decision.
I already cancelled the order for the RAM. Is the mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory the best RAM for the mobo? The mushkin RAM is DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) and the GIGABYTE mobo specs for RAM are DDR2 1200. Would 1200 be faster/better/more compatible?Yes, it's compatible.I just ordered the RAM that was originally chosen for the ASUS motherboard. I didn't think of it until after I purchased it, but will it be compatible with the GIGABYTE mobo?
I've already purchased:
- Motherboard
- PSU
- CPU
- 4 Daisy-chain power cables
I cancelled the orders for the
- RAM
- SATA cables
I can tell you right now that I have 9 SATA drives. Today's my daughter's birthday and we're going out to dinner soon so I'll take the cases apart tomorrow. I'm pretty sure that the ones that are connected via a USB 2.0 connection are IDE, but I'll open them tomorrow to make sure. The ones that are firewire will probably remain external firewire drives.
#105
Posted 26 January 2009 - 04:44 PM
Simply put, it's the PCI slots on your motherboard. One of the many disadvantages of PCI is that its peak transfer rate is 133mb/s over all the slots. PCIe on the other hand has a higher peak transfer rate on a per slot basis, meaning, if one slot is fully saturated (sending it's peak transfer rate), a PCIe slot will not be a affected, but if the peak transfer rate of 133mb/s is being sent over one PCI slot, the other PCI slots will effectively be able to send 0mb/s (nothing).I Googled PCI interface and couldn't understand what it is, so I don't know what this sentence means.
http://en.wikipedia....nt_Interconnect
Yes.Is the mushkin 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory the best RAM for the mobo?
No. Faster RAM will result in a negligible difference in performance for 99.9% of real world scenarios.The mushkin RAM is DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) and the GIGABYTE mobo specs for RAM are DDR2 1200. Would 1200 be faster/better/more compatible?
If this is the case, additional expansion cards will be required and a few will likely have to remain as external devices.I'm pretty sure that the ones that are connected via a USB 2.0 connection are IDE, but I'll open them tomorrow to make sure.
Wish her a happy birthday from the staff and community of geektogoToday's my daughter's birthday and we're going out to dinner soon so I'll take the cases apart tomorrow.
James
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