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Modem to router compatability issue


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tjmcs

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Not a computer guru, so here goes.
I have DSL internet. The modem is a Bellsouth Westell 6100. I am thinking of getting a Trendnet TWG-BRF114, a 1 gig router. Two questions:
1) Do I need to upgrade the modem, and if so,
2) What modem is compatible to that router?

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Hey tjmcs,

Any reason in particular why you think you might need to upgrade the modem? What sort of Internet speeds do you get? Do you do a lot of large file/movie transfers within your network (i.e. from computer to computer)?

I might be missing something, but I can't see any reason why your modem wouldn't be compatible with that router. My only concern would be whether or not you need such an expensive router. What do you expect to gain from the router? I just have a feeling that you're going to have a lot of untapped potential in that beast.

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Hey, Dan

I am using BellSouth Ultra DSL and the speed tests always show me on the bottom of the chart for that service, download at 1.0 Mbps and upload at 243.6 Kbps. Trying to get myself to top of Ultra chart without AT&T running brand new lines out here in the sticks (haha). Since you ask, I'll tell you my plan. I want to swap the 10/100 router for a 100/1000 router, unplug the ethernet cards and feed the line directly into the system via USB.

There are times when I go to a site, I can go to the kitchen, get a drink and come back to the computer just as it loads. I just want some more speed without paying $160.00 a month to AT&T.

Thanks for asking.

Joe

Edited by tjmcs, 26 January 2009 - 06:08 PM.

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Your Internet speeds don't look horrible; I'm not sure why your pages would be loading so slowly. I honestly don't think the new router is going to improve your Internet connection speeds, as it's unlikely to be the bottleneck.

Can you please do the following:
  • Press Start
  • Select Run
  • Type cmd and press OK
  • In the new command prompt window, type tracert google.com > C:\trace.txt
  • This command will take a few minutes to complete -- wait for your command prompt to return. Navigate to your C: drive and open the text file trace.txt -- please copy/paste the contents of this file into your next response.
Have you tried plugging your computer directly into your modem and then doing a speed test? Is there any difference?

I have a feeling it's simply an ISP issue. Think of it as a relay race with three runners, A, B and C. Runner A is the Internet, B is your modem, and C is your router. Runner A has to run 500m whilst B and C only run 1m. A is a slow runner. B and C are fast runners. But the problem is that B can't do anything until A reaches him, and C can't do anything until B reaches him. When B does finally reach him, then C only has a very short run to the finish line (i.e. your computer). So, making C a better runner won't overly improve your team's performance, because C plays such a small part. Runner A is the teams 'weak link'.

So, that's a dumb analogy, but I hope it kind of gets the point across -- I think your current router is more than sufficient for your Internet speeds. The only reason I could think of for you getting that router would be if you plan to do a lot of large file transfers within your network.

If you do think your router is slowing down your Internet, try connecting directly into the modem; this will let you see if the router is indeed a bottleneck.

With that said, I would like to look into why your Internet is loading pages so slowly -- your Internet speeds aren't extremely flash or anything, but they also aren't terrible. Could you try a speed test from SpeakEasy Speedtest and let me know the results?

Also, Ethernet is, generally speaking, more reliable and consistent in terms of throughput than USB -- my advice would always be to use Ethernet over USB.

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Dan,
Here are the tests you asked for.

Tracing route to google.com [209.85.171.100]

over a maximum of 30 hops:



1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1

2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms launchmodem [192.168.1.254]

3 45 ms 47 ms 45 ms 65.14.166.25

4 45 ms 46 ms 45 ms 70.158.244.77

5 68 ms 66 ms 66 ms 205.152.250.48

6 60 ms 61 ms 61 ms 65.83.239.124

7 62 ms 62 ms 63 ms axr01mgm-so-0-1-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.239.52]

8 61 ms 61 ms 62 ms pxr00msy-3-0-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.236.38]

9 62 ms 64 ms 66 ms axr01aep-ge-5-1-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.238.37]

10 65 ms 65 ms 64 ms pxr00asm-3-0-0.bellsouth.net [65.83.236.6]

11 63 ms 63 ms 61 ms 65.83.237.221

12 60 ms 62 ms 61 ms 72.14.233.56

13 120 ms 129 ms 128 ms 209.85.242.254

14 130 ms 138 ms 129 ms 209.85.250.144

15 131 ms 134 ms 132 ms 216.239.48.34

16 135 ms 134 ms 142 ms 209.85.251.129

17 135 ms 136 ms 134 ms 209.85.251.137

18 134 ms 135 ms 139 ms 74.125.30.6

19 140 ms 136 ms 135 ms cg-in-f100.google.com [209.85.171.100]



Trace complete.



The speed test was:

download: 1586 Kbps 198.3 KB/sec transfer rate
up load: 244 Kbps 30.5 KB/sec transfer rate


Phone company is ISP. Speeds may be good. Just takes a long time on some sites. Could be computer security. AVG8, Windows Defender, SuperAntispyware.

Joe
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Your trace looks fine; what sites do you experience the slow loading times on? Could you try a tracert to one of them and post the results?

Some sites will load slowly with your Internet speeds, and I'm afraid the only way to fix that would be to upgrade your plan. You could try restarting your computer into Safe mode with Networking and seeing if sites still load slowly, as this will rule out software interference.

What Internet Browser do you use?

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Sorry I took so long getting back to you, Dan. I am currently fighting another problem with this computer. That may have something to do with loading some web sites slow. I am going to another forum and ask for help with this new(?) problem.

I think some of what I call slow downs are related to the age of the phone lines in this area. I think the indians here were the first to use them after they stopped using smoke signals.

Thanks for help.
Joe
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