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I suspected the IDE drive b/c the BSODs were related to the IDE Controller Driver. Since the drive itself tested ok, I suspect the mobo.

What exactly are the problems with the SATA drive? Can the BIOS see it?

Can you boot off Ubuntu all right?
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I suspected the IDE drive b/c the BSODs were related to the IDE Controller Driver. Since the drive itself tested ok, I suspect the mobo.

I assume you saw nothing wrong in the FanSpeed screen shots. I've had several motherboards die over the years but they always died all at once, I've never had one that died little by little like this one, have you ever encountered this before?

I have an ATX case and I want to reuse my CPU chip with a new motherboard. My chip is an Intel Celeron D 351 3.20GHz (133x24.0), 256KB Cache, 533 FSB, OEM, Socket 775 processor. The newer 3.20GHz chips are ridiculously expensive so I want to reuse the one I have because for me to get a newer chip that is reasonably priced, it would be a 2.something chip, and I would feel like I was going backwards. So the boards I was looking at were the 3 below, which one do you think is best?

http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=M452-2677
http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2372
http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2368

And the memory I was looking at is below, what do you think?
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=C13-6084
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=P33-5094

What exactly are the problems with the SATA drive? Can the BIOS see it?

The main BIOS has never seen the SATA drive like a normal hard drive. In my BIOS I can go into OnChip Device Function to enable or disable the VIA SATA Function (port) which is an Integrated Peripheral. Once I enable the SATA port it loads it's own set of BIOS just before Windows loads, I can see it on the screen but it's not a program that I can go in like the main BIOS.

The problem with the SATA drive is that my system will no longer work with it and I'm not completely sure if the problem is the drive or the port but I suspect the port. I started having problems with the drive when it was only 3 months old, Windows was saying that the drive had errors if I remember correctly. And I didn't feel like opening the computer just to take it out so I just disabled it in Windows and left it there but I never had to disable the port in the BIOS. That was the last time I used it, now I can't boot in to Windows (when it's installed) at all with the SATA port enabled because it just locks up the Windows logo screen, that's a drastic change for something I haven't been using. And now the BIOS doesn't see 1 out of 2 floppy drives and the drives where changed, so I suspect the ports.

Can you boot off Ubuntu all right?

I'm sorry, I don't know what Ubuntu is. Thank you.
:)

Edited by vroni357, 14 July 2009 - 04:05 AM.

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So you are building a new PC from your old components right? I see that you are choosing some budget boards... I am also going to build one and am probably using this combo deal: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211659
It's well worth it and you can run a SLI config with the mobo.

1st of all... http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2368
That board has a Micro ATX form factor... make sure that your case can support it.
So does this one: http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2372

That leaves you with the other mobo you picked out: http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=M452-2677
This mobo is good for what you need.
This is also a good one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131393 by a very trustworthy manufacturer, Asus.

Both of the links to the RAM will work with the mobo that you picked out... between Corsair and Patriot, it's a matter of personal choice. I would probably go with the Patriot sticks, but it's up to you.

Ubuntu is a distro of Linux. Click on Backup Files Without Windows in my sig to find out how to burn a disc and see if Ubuntu works.
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So you are building a new PC from your old components right? I see that you are choosing some budget boards... I am also going to build one and am probably using this combo deal: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211659
It's well worth it and you can run a SLI config with the mobo.

That looks like a cool deal, the price is better on Newegg than a similar combo on TigerDirect, but the last time I had an AMD setup I don't think it had the SLI stuff so I don't know what the SLI config is. But, yeah, I definitely need something budget friendly right now.

This is the way I'm used to doing things, I've only ever bought 1 complete system and that was my 1st one in the early '90s. The rest I put together myself, my current case is my 3rd case and my current board is the 4th board in that case. All were necessary parts replacements because something died (I could always tell what died before this time), or with the cases, no longer supported. And I've learned as I've gone along.

I always have to balance my budget at the time with what I need at the time. I've only replaced parts once simply as an upgrade without the death of any parts and that's what I have now. I had a bigger budget then, more than $700. worth of parts (CPU and fan, motherboard, memory, IDE and SATA hard drives and power supply), the bad economy has gotten me right now though.

Also I don't keep up with the new stuff between replacements so every time I'm ready for new parts there's always something new. Like the PCI Express X1 Slots and PCI Express X16 Slots that weren't on boards when I got my current board, so I have nothing that fits those slots but it was a similar thing with the slots before PCI. And I don't know what the Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Duo stuff is, what it does or how much faster it is than my current setup. The AMD 3.2 you picked out seems a lot faster than my current CPU because of the bus speeds but the combo is out of my budget right now.

1st of all... http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2368
That board has a Micro ATX form factor... make sure that your case can support it.
So does this one: http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=B450-2372

That leaves you with the other mobo you picked out: http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=M452-2677
This mobo is good for what you need.
This is also a good one: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131393 by a very trustworthy manufacturer, Asus.

I didn't know what the upside down h thing meant because I didn't remember seeing it before. But my case can fit at least a couple of different sizes. Either mini or micro ATX is the size of my current board but I prefer the full sized ATX boards especially since I get more slots and more room. And I like the Asus boards, I had picked an Asus board on TigerDirect a couple of weeks ago but when I went back it was no longer available. Newegg doesn't give me enough info about the boards, I can't see the back configuration of the boards on that site. The boards I've been looking at were specifically compatible with Celeron D CPUs (I wasn't sure my CPU was compatible with boards that just said Celeron as opposed to Celeron D) with a FSB of 533 MHz and higher. My CPU only goes up to 533 MHz FSB, the Newegg board only goes down to 800 MHz FSB, don't I need a board that at least goes down to 533 MHz FSB or does it not matter at all whether they match or not because the higher speed item would still go further down even if it doesn't mention that speed?

Both of the links to the RAM will work with the mobo that you picked out... between Corsair and Patriot, it's a matter of personal choice. I would probably go with the Patriot sticks, but it's up to you.

Ok, they each had different timing and I didn't know if it made a difference.

Ubuntu is a distro of Linux. Click on Backup Files Without Windows in my sig to find out how to burn a disc and see if Ubuntu works.

Ok, I had my own way of copying my files to other drives but I will try it out. I wanted to thank you so much for hanging in there with me, you were the only one that went the full distance with me and I would not have been able to get through this without you...again, Thank you so much.
:)

Edited by vroni357, 15 July 2009 - 08:05 AM.

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Let me give you my thinking on what the upside down h means. Look here: http://www.utorrent.com/
It is the page of a very small Bit-torrent client... this would mean that the µ should mean micro.

I have never had a mobo die on me, so I don't know anything about their death.

I don't think it had the SLI stuff so I don't know what the SLI config is

SLI is NVIDIA's multi-GPU technology... CrossfireX is ATI's multi-GPU tech.
The Asus board that I picked out supports 3-way SLI (combining the power of 3 GPUs)
SLI is used for graphics intensive apps and games.

The AMD processor is pretty fast and is also very overclock-able (also safe.) You can raise the clock speeds to around 4Ghz without worrying about heat using the provided fan. The CPU is also a "Black Edition" which means it's CPU multiplier is unlocked (that helps a lot with overclocking)... the Asus board also works well with overclocking. You can go even higher... around 4.3-4.5 Ghz if you buy an aftermarket CPU cooler... tell me if you are interested.

Ok, they each had different timing and I didn't know if it made a difference.

It makes an unnoticeable difference... the Patriot sticks have slightly better timing so get them.

The boards I've been looking at were specifically compatible with Celeron D CPUs (I wasn't sure my CPU was compatible with boards that just said Celeron as opposed to Celeron D)

To my knowledge, if the CPU fits in the socket (775) it should work... sometimes you might need to flash the BIOS.

Ok, I had my own way of copying my files to other drives but I will try it out

You don't need to copy any files, just see if Ubuntu will even boot.

Thank you for keeping up with this problem... this is one I look forward to finishing off.
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I have never had a mobo die on me, so I don't know anything about their death.

Really, I guess you're buying much better equipment than I am. I even had the motherboard of a laptop die on me before. My current board I had the longest of all my motherboards. Generally, if the computer comes on but you get nothing, especially if you can't even POST, the motherboard is dead. If the lights come on but nobody is at home, it's gone. If the computer doesn't even turn on so you can't even get the lights, that's usually the power supply.

SLI is NVIDIA's multi-GPU technology... CrossfireX is ATI's multi-GPU tech.
The Asus board that I picked out supports 3-way SLI (combining the power of 3 GPUs)
SLI is used for graphics intensive apps and games.

Ok, but on those boards, like this one http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=E145-2046, there's no VGA port, so would I still use my current VGA card with the board or would I not use my VGA card and instead would need an adapter to be able to plug my VGA monitor in to one of the ports already on the board? And if I would need an adapter to be able to plug my VGA monitor in to one of the ports already on the board, which port would I plug in to?

The AMD processor is pretty fast and is also very overclock-able (also safe.) You can raise the clock speeds to around 4Ghz without worrying about heat using the provided fan. The CPU is also a "Black Edition" which means it's CPU multiplier is unlocked (that helps a lot with overclocking)... the Asus board also works well with overclocking. You can go even higher... around 4.3-4.5 Ghz if you buy an aftermarket CPU cooler... tell me if you are interested.

I'm not that comfortable with overclocking yet but since the CPU and board manufacturers support it I might try it eventually.

To my knowledge, if the CPU fits in the socket (775) it should work... sometimes you might need to flash the BIOS.

Ok, but what about the FSB speed, my CPU only goes up to 533 MHz FSB, the Newegg board only goes down to 800 MHz FSB, don't I need a board that at least goes down to 533 MHz FSB or does it not matter at all whether they match or not because the higher speed item would still go further down even if it doesn't mention that speed? I don't know how to flash the BIOS, I've never done that before, and how can you tell if you need to?

You don't need to copy any files, just see if Ubuntu will even boot.

I will try it once I get the new motherboard and install Windows because I never got Windows reinstalled the last time, since I just gave up, and I can't burn a CD on this laptop.

Thank you for keeping up with this problem... this is one I look forward to finishing off.

You're welcome.
:)

Edited by vroni357, 16 July 2009 - 11:10 AM.

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Really, I guess you're buying much better equipment than I am

Not so sure about that. For mobos, I look for brands like Asus, XFX, EVGA...
I stay away from brands like MSI (although they aren't bad), Biostar...

there's no VGA port, so would I still use my current VGA card with the board or would I not use my VGA card and instead would need an adapter to be able to plug my VGA monitor in to one of the ports already on the board?

#1... on that board, there are no integrated (on the mobo) graphics. You will have to buy a discrete graphics card. You can use your old card if it fits in a PCI or PCI-E port (not AGP).

You can look here: http://support.asus....SLanguage=en-us
To find compatible Asus boards with your CPU.
I suggest that you find a board you like and make a new topic in the system building forum... someone will make sure that they are compatible.
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Not so sure about that. For mobos, I look for brands like Asus, XFX, EVGA...
I stay away from brands like MSI (although they aren't bad), Biostar...

I never knew which brands were best or even which brands were any good at all.

I suggest that you find a board you like and make a new topic in the system building forum... someone will make sure that they are compatible.

Ok, thank you so much.
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It depends on your experience with the brand and how other people review it.

Come back here with the parts that you are going to buy... I want to see them. :)
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It depends on your experience with the brand and how other people review it.

Each time I've gotten a new motherboard it was a different brand, except once I got the exact same motherboard two times in a row simply to avoid changing any other parts. They each had good reviews, I would not have bought one with bad reviews. So I have no particular experience with any particular brand. I believe I have a Mach Speed right now and it lasted the longest, so it seemed like a good brand to me. I think I had a PC Chips brand once before, I don't remember the rest.

Come back here with the parts that you are going to buy... I want to see them.

Ok, I will. I already posted a question (CPU and motherboard compatibility) in System Building and Upgrading very early this morning, hopefully someone will eventually reply. Then I can decide on a board based on that, because the ones I like I'm not sure about and the ones I'm sure about I don't really like that much but I could live with if necessary. I need to find out if it's necessary though. Thank you.
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Hope it all works out! :)
Will be checking on your other topic to see about CPU/mobo compatibility.
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Hope it all works out!

Thank you.

Will be checking on your other topic to see about CPU/mobo compatibility.

Ok, cool.
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Hi,
As you may already know, in the other post a Geeks To Go Tech Staff replied:

Much more can be put into an answer than what I'm going to write. To put it simply, I would rather a 2.something Core 2 Duo than that old Celeron. While the clock speed is slower, the processor itself is much more efficient at processing and thus is faster at completing tasks overall. That's why the GHz race eventually stopped, and now it seems we're witnessing a core race. Dual core processors have been out for some time, and so have quad cores (and triple cores for that matter).

So I said:

Ok, let me get this straight, I finally made my way up to a 3.20GHz CPU and then they stopped increasing the GHz after that so now I have to start over again with cores, and the more cores the better. Do I have a handle on that? Bummer. :)

And from that I decided to do a whole new CPU / board setup. So I was trying to decide between these two:
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=B69-2109
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=B69-3066.

But I think I'll be getting these:
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=B69-3066
http://www.tigerdire...p;Sku=T925-1168
http://www.tigerdire...mp;Sku=P33-5094.
What do you think? I realize it's not as good a brand as Asus and it has no reviews but I have to balance budget with what I need and I also need the extra slot. Please let me know what you think. Thank you.
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The Patriot RAM and the CPU cooler look very good. I would suggest getting those.
The mobo/CPU combo you picked out is also good (MSI is a good brand, I just have a preference for Asus boards)

Here is another good one: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211763
It's up to you though.
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Here is another good one: http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211763

You know at first I couldn't figure out how you were finding those combos on Newegg. I looked on that site at the CPU/motherboard combos before TigerDirect and I never saw that combo, or any of the combos that you linked to for that matter. And I even wondered if it was possible to create your own combos on that site. But then I finally figured out that most of the boards and CPUs have various combos to choose from (dah, no, I'm not blond). I even figured out how to see the back of the boards. Once I found all the good stuff, I think that's a very cool site. I still think the site could give a little more info. But some of what's missing can be found using the zoom to see the photos in extreme closeup, when you can read the letters printed on the board it helps.

Anyway, I very much like that Asus board, I do need the extra USB ports, and I like that the fan and heatsink are included with the CPU too. From the combos I saw apparently I can get more bang for my buck on that site. What do you think about these though:
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211729
and I think I could stretch the budget to this, what do you think
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.211681
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.212289.

And I'm not sure which of these two is better:
(2 of these) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820161182
(or 1 of these) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820220396.
Please let me know what you think. Thank you.
:) :)

Edited by vroni357, 21 July 2009 - 08:25 AM.

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