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Moshi

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i dont know what the [bleep] is that but yesterday i suddenly minimized my browser window and saw this:
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then i scanned with loads of antispyware apps i have on my pc, fixed or deleted everything but that thing was still there. tried to change the wallpaper too but it didnt help!
then i scanned with Norton AV and found the folder where that wierd xxx icon was and deleted it in safe mode. i thought everything will be gone, came back to normal mode i though it was ok but when i right clicked on the desktop i noticed its exactly as clicking on webpage! but no red color this time and spyware msg! just white:
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so its a website on my desktop and my friend told me this is active desktop. how can i get rid of it?

here is the HijackThis log:
Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 21:11:10, on 11.5.2005
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
D:\Programi\Deamon Tools\daemon.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\KEMailKb\KEMailKb.EXE
D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\UpdateService\issch.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe
C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
D:\PROGRAMI\FRAPS\FRAPS.EXE
C:\Program Files\MessengerDiscovery\MessengerDiscovery.exe
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
D:\Programi\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VS7Debug\mdm.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\oodag.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
D:\Programi\Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\Moshi\My Documents\hijackthis\HijackThis.exe

O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: Loader Class - {2E246FAE-8420-11D9-870D-000C2917DE7F} - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Loader.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Site Guard - {5C8B2A36-3DB1-42A4-A3CB-D426709BBFEB} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdsg.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Browser Monitor - {B56A7D7D-6927-48C8-A975-17DF180C71AC} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {B75F75B8-93F3-429D-FF34-660B206D897A} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\boln.dll
O2 - BHO: NAV Helper - {BDF3E430-B101-42AD-A544-FADC6B084872} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O2 - BHO: FlashFXP Helper for Internet Explorer - {E5A1691B-D188-4419-AD02-90002030B8EE} - D:\Programi\FlashFXP\IEFlash.dll
O2 - BHO: ZToolbar Activator Class - {FFF5092F-7172-4018-827B-FA5868FB0478} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ztoolbar.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Norton AntiVirus - {42CDD1BF-3FFB-4238-8AD1-7859DF00B1D6} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DAEMON Tools-1033] "D:\Programi\Deamon Tools\daemon.exe" -lang 1033
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KEMailKb] C:\PROGRA~1\KEMailKb\KEMailKb.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Symantec NetDriver Monitor] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMNET~1\SNDMon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISUSPM Startup] C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\INSTAL~1\UPDATE~1\ISUSPM.exe -startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISUSScheduler] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\UpdateService\issch.exe" -start
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Systems Restart] Rundll32.exe boln.dll, DllRegisterServer
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe" /WinStart
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Fraps] D:\PROGRAMI\FRAPS\FRAPS.EXE
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MessengerDiscovery] C:\Program Files\MessengerDiscovery\MessengerDiscovery.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: Adobe Gamma.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: hamachi.lnk = D:\Programi\Hamachi\hamachi.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: I&zvoz v Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office10\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - D:\Programi\Java\bin\npjpi142_06.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - D:\Programi\Java\bin\npjpi142_06.dll
O9 - Extra button: Spyware Doctor - {2D663D1A-8670-49D9-A1A5-4C56B4E14E84} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O9 - Extra button: eBay - Homepage - {EF79EAC5-3452-4E02-B8BD-BA4C89F1AC7A} - C:\Program Files\IrfanView\Ebay\Ebay.htm
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O10 - Broken Internet access because of LSP provider 'xfire_lsp_11078.dll' missing
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{9FEA9F55-9574-4432-AB2B-24BB47A90D44}: NameServer = 193.189.160.11 193.189.160.12
O23 - Service: Adobe LM Service - Adobe Systems - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe Systems Shared\Service\Adobelmsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Diskeeper - Executive Software International, Inc. - D:\Programi\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\1050\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect Service (navapsvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: O&O Defrag - O&O Software GmbH - C:\WINDOWS\system32\oodag.exe
O23 - Service: SAVScan - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\SAVScan.exe
O23 - Service: ScriptBlocking Service (SBService) - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\SYMANT~1\SCRIPT~1\SBServ.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Core LC - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe

Edited by Moshi, 11 May 2005 - 01:28 PM.

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First lets check this. Right click an empty area of your desktop and click "Properties". Next click the "Desktop" tab. Now click the "Customize Desktop" button at the bottom of the window. Click the tab at the top that says "Web" on it. There should be a list of things in there, or maybe just 1 option. Select each one except for "My Current Home Page" and click the delete button on the right. Make sure nothing is left checked. Now click "OK", "Apply" and "OK".

Next go to Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs and uninstall Messenger Plus!

You may wish to print out a copy of these instructions to follow while you complete this procedure.
Please save Hijack This in a permanent folder (i.e. C:\HJT). This ensures backups are saved and accessible.
Please go offline, close all browsers and any open Windows, making sure that only HijackThis is open. Scan and when it finishes, put an X in the boxes, only next to these following items, then click fix checked.

O2 - BHO: Loader Class - {2E246FAE-8420-11D9-870D-000C2917DE7F} - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Loader.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {B75F75B8-93F3-429D-FF34-660B206D897A} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\boln.dll
O2 - BHO: ZToolbar Activator Class - {FFF5092F-7172-4018-827B-FA5868FB0478} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ztoolbar.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Systems Restart] Rundll32.exe boln.dll, DllRegisterServer
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe" /WinStart

Please reboot into safe mode (continually tap the F8 key while your system is starting, select Safe Mode from the menu).
Be sure you're able to view hidden files, and remove the following files in bold (if found):

D:\Programi\MSN Plus
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Loader.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\boln.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ztoolbar.dll

Reboot normally and post a new log.

-=jonnyrotten=- :tazz:
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O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MessengerPlus3] "D:\Programi\MSN Plus\MsgPlus.exe" /WinStart

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Loader.dll

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i couldn't find these files others went ok.

Log:

Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 22:32:07, on 12.5.2005
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
D:\Programi\Deamon Tools\daemon.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\KEMailKb\KEMailKb.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\UpdateService\issch.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe
C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
D:\PROGRAMI\FRAPS\FRAPS.EXE
C:\Program Files\MessengerDiscovery\MessengerDiscovery.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
D:\Programi\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\VS7Debug\mdm.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\oodag.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wuauclt.exe
D:\Programi\Maxthon\Maxthon.exe
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe
C:\HJT\HijackThis.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\Symantec\LIVEUP~1\LUCOMS~1.EXE

O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: (no name) - {53707962-6F74-2D53-2644-206D7942484F} - C:\PROGRA~1\SPYBOT~1\SDHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Site Guard - {5C8B2A36-3DB1-42A4-A3CB-D426709BBFEB} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdsg.dll
O2 - BHO: PCTools Browser Monitor - {B56A7D7D-6927-48C8-A975-17DF180C71AC} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O2 - BHO: NAV Helper - {BDF3E430-B101-42AD-A544-FADC6B084872} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O2 - BHO: FlashFXP Helper for Internet Explorer - {E5A1691B-D188-4419-AD02-90002030B8EE} - D:\Programi\FlashFXP\IEFlash.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Norton AntiVirus - {42CDD1BF-3FFB-4238-8AD1-7859DF00B1D6} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [NvCplDaemon] RUNDLL32.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\NvCpl.dll,NvStartup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [DAEMON Tools-1033] "D:\Programi\Deamon Tools\daemon.exe" -lang 1033
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [KEMailKb] C:\PROGRA~1\KEMailKb\KEMailKb.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Symantec NetDriver Monitor] C:\PROGRA~1\SYMNET~1\SNDMon.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISUSPM Startup] C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\INSTAL~1\UPDATE~1\ISUSPM.exe -startup
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ISUSScheduler] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\UpdateService\issch.exe" -start
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [TkBellExe] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Real\Update_OB\realsched.exe" -osboot
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Fraps] D:\PROGRAMI\FRAPS\FRAPS.EXE
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MessengerDiscovery] C:\Program Files\MessengerDiscovery\MessengerDiscovery.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [a-squared] "C:\Program Files\a2\a2guard.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - Startup: Adobe Gamma.lnk = C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Calibration\Adobe Gamma Loader.exe
O4 - Global Startup: hamachi.lnk = D:\Programi\Hamachi\hamachi.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: I&zvoz v Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~2\Office10\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - D:\Programi\Java\bin\npjpi142_06.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - D:\Programi\Java\bin\npjpi142_06.dll
O9 - Extra button: Spyware Doctor - {2D663D1A-8670-49D9-A1A5-4C56B4E14E84} - D:\Programi\SPYWAR~1\tools\iesdpb.dll
O9 - Extra button: eBay - Homepage - {EF79EAC5-3452-4E02-B8BD-BA4C89F1AC7A} - C:\Program Files\IrfanView\Ebay\Ebay.htm
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O10 - Broken Internet access because of LSP provider 'xfire_lsp_11078.dll' missing
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{9FEA9F55-9574-4432-AB2B-24BB47A90D44}: NameServer = 193.189.160.11 193.189.160.12
O23 - Service: Adobe LM Service - Adobe Systems - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe Systems Shared\Service\Adobelmsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Diskeeper - Executive Software International, Inc. - D:\Programi\Diskeeper\DkService.exe
O23 - Service: InstallDriver Table Manager (IDriverT) - Macrovision Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\InstallShield\Driver\1050\Intel 32\IDriverT.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect Service (navapsvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\system32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: O&O Defrag - O&O Software GmbH - C:\WINDOWS\system32\oodag.exe
O23 - Service: SAVScan - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\SAVScan.exe
O23 - Service: ScriptBlocking Service (SBService) - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\SYMANT~1\SCRIPT~1\SBServ.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Core LC - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\CCPD-LC\symlcsvc.exe
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Please download CleanUp!and install it. Now run the program and click the "CleanUp!" button. When it's finished it will ask you to logoff to finish. Click "yes".

How is your desktop now? Did you find anything under the "Web" tab when you looked? Is everything running smoothly? You look clean to me ;)

The reason you didn't find those entries in Hijack This is because you uninstalled Messenger Plus! Good job :tazz:

-=jonnyrotten=- ;)
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lol that app did a biiiiiig cleaning: CleanUp! 4.0 recovered 226.5 MB of disk space from 13097 files. :tazz:

well my desktop is fine now. i found nothing under web tab, it runs smooth as before! big thanks man!

btw when i was scanning with spysweeper lately it found Rvin trojan. so i clicked fix and did a re-scan found nothing, checked register found no files about it either. does that mean it is completely gone?
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Ya, usually if the software says it was able to delete something and then you rescan after a reboot then it's gone. I would suggest going to my website in my signature and click on the "Panda Active Scan" in the top left of the page and run that also. It is an online antivirus scanner. Some scanners catch stuff that others don't so when you scan with multiple programs your coverage is better. Also remember do not install more than one Anti-Virus program because they will conflict with eachother.

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