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[First Build] A Christmas gift, to my self. (Seeking advice/opinions)


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Hi TheEigengrau,
For future reference by all means send a PM to bring attention to a topic but also be aware that assistance cannot be offered outside of the forums, this ensures members only get the best advice, knowledge is shared and that we abide by the GTG ToU (Terms of Use) :)
I have included your final selection below and added a couple of comments for you to consider;

The benchmark for the build is synchronous gameplay at 60+ FPS in games such as BF3 and Metro 2033 at maximum settings on a single 24" monitor at 1920x1050 resolution.

Case: Fractal Design Define XL Black = $216.00 AUD

Power Supply: Corsair TX-750 V2 Power Supply = $145.00 AUD

Processor: Intel Core i5 2500K = $229.00 AUD

CPU Cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper TX3 = $25.00 AUD
Unfortunately, I haven't heard good things about standard coolers, so I think I'll be sticking with that EVO cooler.
I do not know what you have heard or read but I can assure you that heatsinks and CPU fans that are bundled with a CPU are more than capable of cooling the processor as they are tested over and above the normal temps that a CPU will be subjected to, there are however two things that can impact this 1: TIM being incorrectly applied 2: Overclocking, you will not apply the TIM incorrectly as you have read this http://www.geekstogo...rface-material/ tutorial so unless you plan on O/Cing the stock HS and fan will suffice, the choice however is yours to make and I only offer guidance here.

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Motherboard = $135.00 AUD

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 = $55.00 AUD

Graphics Card: MSI GeForce GTX 580 3GB Lightning Extreme Edition OC = $699.00 AUD

Sound Card: ASUS Xonar DS = $85.00 AUD
See post #2

Solid-state Drive: Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SSD = $199.00 AUD

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB SATA DVDRW Drive = $22.00 AUD

Total: $1994.00 AUD

Extras.

Keyboard: Steelseries 6G V2 Mechanical Keyboard = $95.00 AUD

Headphones: Audio-Technica ATH-M50 = $184.00 AUD

Microphone: Zalman Microphone ZM-MIC 1 = $19.00 AUD

Monitor: LG E2441V-BN 24inch LED Widescreen Monitor = $169.00 AUD each, $338.00 AUD total

Total: $636.00 AUD

If you were to stick with the stock HS/CPU fan and the onboard audio chip you could use the funds saved to purchase an i7 CPU http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115095 or http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115070 or http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115071

As ever check the CPU and memory support tabs @ http://www.asrock.co...8 Extreme3 Gen3 to ensure compatibility, I hope that you find this input helpful and I apologise if it makes you indecisive.

Acknowledgment to iammykyl for advising via a PM that you were looking for a second opinion :yes:


I'll remove the cooler. As for the sound card, a person who builds computers for a living suggested them to me along with the headphones and separate microphone, and emphasised that they will give me a far better audio experience than any current motherboard's on board sound. I have started to take audio a little more seriously, so I think I should get it. I checked out that sound card, and a few websites are calling it the best there is.

I'll also upgrade to the i7 as well. I wanted to go with the 2700k but that's not at the store I'm using: pccasegear.com

Are there any other items I should consider buying? I'm after an incredibly immersive gaming experience.

My latest shopping list.

OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit = Free - Gifted by friend.

Case: Fractal Design Define XL Black = $216.00 AUD

Additional fans: Noctua NF-P12 120mm Fan = $26.00

Power Supply: Corsair TX-750 V2 Power Supply = $145.00 AUD

Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K = $335.00 AUD

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 Motherboard = $135.00 AUD

RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 = $55.00 AUD

Graphics Card: MSI GeForce GTX 580 3GB Lightning Extreme Edition OC = $699.00 AUD

Sound Card: ASUS Xonar DS = $85.00 AUD

Solid-state Drive: Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SSD = $199.00 AUD

Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222AB SATA DVDRW Drive = $22.00 AUD

Floppy Disk Drive: Floppy 3.5" Standard 1.44MB Internal Disk Drive Black = $26.35 AUD

Keyboard: Steelseries 6G V2 Mechanical Keyboard = $95.00 AUD

Mouse: Razer Naga Special Molten Edition = Free - Gifted by friend.

Headphones: Audio-Technica ATH-M50 = $184.00 AUD

Microphone: Zalman Microphone ZM-MIC 1 = $19.00 AUD

Controller: Xbox 360 Black Wired Controller for Windows = $49.00 AUD

Monitor: LG E2441V-BN 24inch LED Widescreen Monitor = $169.00 AUD each, $338.00 AUD total

Webcam: Logitech C510 HD Webcam = $49.00 AUD

Total, with postage = $2791.35 AUD


EDIT: I looked at the memory support, and I see a "F3-14900CL9D-8GBSR" but not a "F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL" and yet they're identical almost. Do I need to change, or will it still be compatible?

Edited by TheEigengrau, 19 November 2011 - 01:30 PM.

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Well if you have the budget then include the sound card by all means, I was only trying to save you cash and the MBs integrated 7.1 surround sound audio chip is more than capable, I think you have made a wise choice regarding the CPU cooler.
I would always choose components that are on the QVL as you cannot go wrong, see http://www.gskill.co...s.php?index=385 and http://www.gskill.co...s.php?index=239
Apart from ensuring that you get compatible Ram I can only add that you have an extremely powerful GFX card there so for future consideration I suggest the bigger or multiple screen option.


BTW, I nearly forgot to say I am extremely jealous of your proposed new rig :)
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Try this site for searching parts. http://www.staticice...u/advanced.html

Result for 2700K = $359.00 AU > http://www.staticice...e-max=&links=20
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Try this site for searching parts. http://www.staticice...u/advanced.html

Result for 2700K = $359.00 AU > http://www.staticice...e-max=&links=20

Now Im even more jealous :)
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Double green for me. Posted Image

Do you think the system would be enhanced by using Cas Latency:7 (example\only) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233219

Additional fans: Noctua NF-P12 120mm Fan = $26.00


http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835608004 connection is 3/4 pin.
If the case rear fan comes with ONLY a 3 pin connection I would use the Noctua instead and connect to the FAN1 header on the Mobo then use the original fan elsewhere.
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Yes lower Cas Latency would be better, better/more cooling is also a good idea.
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I will use that site and see how much cheaper I can get everything.

What is Cas Latency?

The case has two fans to exhaust air and one fan for intake, I'm buying that Noctua fan for the front as another intake fan. Is that good?

If I could do with more cooling, what products in particular should I buy?
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Using staticice, the price (without postage) comes to $2572.74 AUD. If postage equals the same amount from the Pccasegear.com site, it will be around $2672.74 AUD. I save about $120 or more.
Thanks for that! :)

EDIT: I calculated the wrong PSU, so I actually end up saving around $220 or more. I estimate the total with postage to be around $2600 AUD.

Edited by TheEigengrau, 19 November 2011 - 09:12 PM.

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What is Cas Latency?

This explanation is fairly clear and not too complicated.
http://www.hardwares...om/article/26/2

links on this site http://mrwhat.is/cas-latency-ddr3.html

Should you decide to go for low CL RAM, choose from the QVL.


If I could do with more cooling, what products in particular should I buy?


I would build the system first, installing the Noctua fan to the front, run and benchmark it for a couple of weeks to see what the temps are like. Should you need more cooling, select carefully taking into account of how you would control any extra fans.

Glad you were able to cut the cost a little, shame it was not enough so you could build 2 and give one as a Christmas present to a friend on G2G.
Here in Brisbane there are 7 stores listed on 'Staticice, all within an easy drive, so I am lucky not to have shipping costs,

You will have a super build that will last for years.

Just my nagging reminders. Always unplug from the mains when working on the PC.
Take anti static measures, even when handling parts not attached to the computer.
Keep all packaging, bits and pieces not used, for at least a year.
Change the pre installed I/O shield in the case with the one supplied with the Mobo.
In the case, check, check and CHECK again the stand offs fixed to the Mobo mounting plate. There must be exactly the same number as screw holes on the Mobo, NO extra ones.
You are installing an SSD, so follow the manual with regards to BIOS settings.
When updating the GPU drivers, I recommend you only use updates from the Motherboards manufacturers site.

Download you Mobo manual. and the SSD installation manual.

http://www.geekstogo...r-own-computer/ Thanks to Troy and Artellos.
http://www.diy-gamin...ild-a-Computer/

Good luck and have a Happy Building Christmas.

Please let us know how you go and how the system performs.
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What is Cas Latency?

This explanation is fairly clear and not too complicated.
http://www.hardwares...om/article/26/2

links on this site http://mrwhat.is/cas-latency-ddr3.html

Should you decide to go for low CL RAM, choose from the QVL.


If I could do with more cooling, what products in particular should I buy?


I would build the system first, installing the Noctua fan to the front, run and benchmark it for a couple of weeks to see what the temps are like. Should you need more cooling, select carefully taking into account of how you would control any extra fans.

Glad you were able to cut the cost a little, shame it was not enough so you could build 2 and give one as a Christmas present to a friend on G2G.
Here in Brisbane there are 7 stores listed on 'Staticice, all within an easy drive, so I am lucky not to have shipping costs,

You will have a super build that will last for years.

Just my nagging reminders. Always unplug from the mains when working on the PC.
Take anti static measures, even when handling parts not attached to the computer.
Keep all packaging, bits and pieces not used, for at least a year.
Change the pre installed I/O shield in the case with the one supplied with the Mobo.
In the case, check, check and CHECK again the stand offs fixed to the Mobo mounting plate. There must be exactly the same number as screw holes on the Mobo, NO extra ones.
You are installing an SSD, so follow the manual with regards to BIOS settings.
When updating the GPU drivers, I recommend you only use updates from the Motherboards manufacturers site.

Download you Mobo manual. and the SSD installation manual.

http://www.geekstogo...r-own-computer/ Thanks to Troy and Artellos.
http://www.diy-gamin...ild-a-Computer/

Good luck and have a Happy Building Christmas.

Please let us know how you go and how the system performs.


So, you want me to get something like http://www.centrecom...71.html?sort=2a ?
This is the only one static ice has that was 8gb CL7 and on the QVL for the ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen2.


How would I go about benchmarking for a couple of weeks?


Thank you for all of the tid bits of information, I'll be looking to it when time comes to build this beauty. Big hugs. :D
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So, you want me to get something like http://www.centrecom...71.html?sort=2a

?


Yes, that will be fine.3 sites taken form Staticice. All in stock.


http://www.megabuy.c...it-p257713.html
http://greenboxit.co...products_id=136
http://www.computero...54aea97cf92ab5a

http://www.staticice...7D-8GBXH&spos=1
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I will end up re-using staticice to find all the parts again during christmas (Hopefully with christmas sale discounts included!) so whether or not it says they're out of stock right now, that could very well change when the time comes to actually purchase everything. Thank you for the links non-the-less. =D

Also, I have changed my mind about overclocking. I intend to do so with the CPU and the GPU, and I have someone to guide me through it if there's any issues. Knowing this, do any of your suggestions for my build change?

And lastly, I don't really understand what you meant by 'benchmark for a couple weeks'. I know of benchmark software that is used to test your system, especially good for gaming. But the 'couple of weeks' thing threw me off.
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Also, I have changed my mind about overclocking. I intend to do so with the CPU and the GPU, and I have someone to guide me through it if there's any issues. Knowing this, do any of your suggestions for my build change?


Being mindful about warrentry, I would use an after market CPU cooler, you would also need some TIM, see this article, > http://benchmarkrevi...d=150&Itemid=62

I would not alter the cooler on the GPU, I don't think it would be nec, warrantry is the same as for CPU.


And lastly, I don't really understand what you meant by 'benchmark for a couple weeks'. I know of benchmark software that is used to test your system, especially good for gaming. But the 'couple of weeks' thing threw me off.


I really meant benchmarking over a couple of weeks, not continuous benchmarking. I was going to post links for some programs.
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Alright, will do.

Just let me know how I should proceed with the whole benchmarking thing.
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I am not a fan of O/Cing but FWIW here is some information for you; http://www.geekstogo...king-explained/ and http://www.geekstogo...w-to-overclock/
At least now you are aware that you will be voiding your warranty with the aftermarket cooler and not setting out ignorant :thumbsup:

EDIT: Please ensure that you pay particular attention to post #45 at the second link by Troy. thanks iammykyl for mentioning this :thumbsup:

Edited by phillpower2, 22 November 2011 - 03:36 PM.

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