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Replacement system, please critique for conflicts!

Started by WWhermit , Jan 15 2012 01:00 AM

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WWhermit

Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:00 AM

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I have to replace my current system that just had a massive crash. I've been trying to fix it through the Malware and Operating System section of this forum, but I think it's just time to replace.

This system will serve a dual purpose. This will be my main working computer at home, and I also play a couple online MMORPG games. Mainly, LOTRO. I also will be running my business from this computer, but that is an investment company, and will take no more resources than the gaming would require. I have 2 HHDs here, one for the Operating System only, and another for all the data and games.

Please check over this list and tell me if there will be any conflicts, such as wrong interface between the motherboard and HHD, or wrong frequency memory for the motherboard.

https://secure.neweg...spx?ID=18362952

I appreciate all the input.

WWhermit

Edited by WWhermit, 15 January 2012 - 01:10 AM.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:14 AM

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 09:48 AM

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Hi, had a look at your list and made some suggestions for you to consider, and save some cash off course <_<

Sorry, broken link. I'll list here:

Motherboard:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131704
Alternative http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157271 has better future upgrade potential including the new Ivy Bridge and pci-e 3.0

CPU:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115070
Alternative http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115095
This should be chosen from the MBs QVL (qualified vendors list) once the MB has been decided on.

RAM (will be 16G)

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145345
This should be chosen from the MBs QVL (qualified vendors list) once the MB has been decided on.
Not sure why you feel that you need 16GB of Ram it is overkill, you will get the best out of Windows 7 64-bit with 8GB of Ram.

Primary OS HHD:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136075
For faster boot times http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820227510

Data HHD:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822152185

Graphics:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130657
Alternative http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127565

Power Supply:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139012
Not a fan of modular PSUs and I think that they are over priced + if you by chance misplace any unused cables they are extremely difficult and costly to replace, good cable management is all that is required, consider saving the cash for something else, alternative http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139020

Case:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129021
Alternative, I prefer a case that has removable, washable dust filters http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129066 only marginally smaller than the 900.

OS:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986

Total price will be $1432. I already have the 2 monitors.

WWhermit

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 10:32 AM

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I can see the sense of some of your suggestions, certainly. Might I ask a question or two though.

1) I've been told that SSDs, in their current state of development, have a finite amount of read/writes. It was suggested to me that until this has been improved, they should be steered away from. Your thoughts?

2) Also, upon further reading, the i7 processors would not be necessary for gaming and "regular" computer work, such as word and excel document processing, email, and websurfing. In another for a similar gaming computer, the i5 processor was suggested as being more than sufficient. Again, thoughts?

3) I'd really like to stick with Asus motherboards. Can you suggest an Asus motherboard that will work with either the i5 or i7, has good potential for future processor upgrade, and is not "overkill" for gaming? I'll not be doing any video or photo editing.

All the othe suggestion make great sense, and I will incorporate these into the final build, which I will post.

WWhermit

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 11:02 AM

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1) I've been told that SSDs, in their current state of development, have a finite amount of read/writes. It was suggested to me that until this has been improved, they should be steered away from. Your thoughts?

I have no knowledge of this other than to avoid formatting SSD drives too often, something that you will not need to do in any event.
More info http://tech.ebu.ch/d..._ssd_poijes.pdf

2) Also, upon further reading, the i7 processors would not be necessary for gaming and "regular" computer work, such as word and excel document processing, email, and websurfing. In another for a similar gaming computer, the i5 processor was suggested as being more than sufficient. Again, thoughts?

You are investing a substantial amount of cash into this project so you will want to future proof your build as much as you can, also be aware that your other hardware will compliment and be complimented by a better processor and the i7-2700K is arguably the best bang for buck Intel CPU available at present

3) I'd really like to stick with Asus motherboards. Can you suggest an Asus motherboard that will work with either the i5 or i7, has good potential for future processor upgrade, and is not "overkill" for gaming? I'll not be doing any video or photo editing.

Here you go ASUS MB http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131792 read the Details and Feedback tabs.

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WWhermit

Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:15 PM

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Ok, after consideration, what do you think:

MB

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131792

CPU

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115070

RAM

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820145345

Graphics

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814130657

Primary SSD

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820227725

Data HHD

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822152185

Case

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129066

Power Supply

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139020

OS

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116986

I stayed with my choice of CPU. I can upgrade in a year or two if necessary, but I don't think I'll need that little bit more power for the extra money.

I also stayed with my GPU. For $30 I think it's worth it.

I like your change on the MB and case. I did research and found out that the limitations of the read/write on the SSDs are about 15 years, so I think I'll be safe. Also, the 8G of RAM should do fine. If not, I can always add another 24G.

What do you think?

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 01:50 PM

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Not contributing to this one.
You are in excellent hands here with my colleague phillpower2

Only posted to say:
Good luck with your new build

Link to mentioned thread re

I have to replace my current system that just had a massive crash. I've been trying to fix it through the Malware and Operating System section of this forum, but I think it's just time to replace.

http://www.geekstogo...__fromsearch__1

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 02:02 PM

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Works for me :thumbsup:

CPU and Ram both listed on the MBs QVL as tested and compatible http://www.asus.com/...8Z68VGEN3/#CPUS

You will need to include http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835100007 in your budget, see the tutorial courtesy of Digerati @ http://www.geekstogo...rface-material/ and for help with the build http://www.geekstogo...r-own-computer/ courtesy of Troy and Artellos respectively.

Also, the 8G of RAM should do fine. If not, I can always add another 24G.

You would need an awful lot of screens and programs to use any more than 8GB so I think you will be safe for a while.

What do you think?

I need to build a new computer :laughing:

Thank you Mac :thumbsup:

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 02:26 PM

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One thing just to toss in here;

For your CPU, considering the difference in price, and what the OP has stated as his needs, this should be more than enough:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115073

It runs at virtually the same clock speed, is well over $100 cheaper, and by most reviews, news articles, etc. is the the most bang-for-buck proc out at the moment, unless you can get your hands on the unlocked version for another $20. For casual gaming and the kinds of work the OP is doing, the i7 is a lot of overkill, and no more 'future-proof' than the i5 IMO.

Best of luck, I'm in the middle of building my new one now!

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 05:38 PM

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One thing just to toss in here;

For your CPU, considering the difference in price, and what the OP has stated as his needs, this should be more than enough:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115073

It runs at virtually the same clock speed, is well over $100 cheaper, and by most reviews, news articles, etc. is the the most bang-for-buck proc out at the moment, unless you can get your hands on the unlocked version for another $20. For casual gaming and the kinds of work the OP is doing, the i7 is a lot of overkill, and no more 'future-proof' than the i5 IMO.

Best of luck, I'm in the middle of building my new one now!

Interesting, because this is the only point that I'm considering changing on my build. I'll be running dual monitors, game on one, with access to internet and files on the other. I wonder if the hyper-threading aspect of the i7 processor will help with this, or does it not make a difference? After all, it is $100 difference.

Thoughts?

WWhermit

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 06:05 PM

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northernCX makes a very valid point, I merely suggested a better i7 CPU than the one you originally had on your list, the 2500k CPU would be my suggestion but it is out of stock at Newegg at the moment http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072 unless you are in a hurry you could wait until the Ivy Bridge is released to see what those prices are and also to see if the Sandy Bridge prices come down.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:45 AM

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I'm not sure where the you're located WWHermit, but you could try these guys:

http://www.canadacom...&item_id=035530

I ordered the same CPU from them, no hassles. And they've got a fair number of these 2500Ks in stock; while it shows as $20 more than newegg, don't forget that's in Canadian dollars- not sure of the exchange rate. Or another site I've purchased from successfully:

http://ncix.com/prod...nufacture=Intel

Also in stock, $10 less. OR:
http://www.tigerdire...3161&CatId=6988

For $225. These are the three main companies I've dealt with for my build, all three have the i5 2500K in stock atm, just not sure about their shipping to another country. They're all reputable, and usually their prices are somewhat less than newegg.ca

Tigerdirect also runs out of the US, here's this:
http://www.tigerdire...3161&CatId=6988

Hope that helps; the i7 will still do just fine for you, and if you want to save a few bucks either wait for Ivy Bridge to hit the shelves to drive prices down, or go with a locked processor if you don't see yourself playing around at overclocking. The locked ones still have a limited ability to overclock, IIRC.

Edited by northernCX, 16 January 2012 - 07:47 AM.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:42 PM

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WWhermit

Re your PM to me

Hi there. You helped me recently with a computer problem, if you remember. I'm building a new kit, and it includes this video card:
My question is this. You were able to find out the latest stable graphics driver for my previous card. Can you tell me which one would be best for this card, or point me to where you got this information please? I don't want to build a new kit and immediately have problems with an unstable graphics driver. I'm a bit paranoid now.

Thank you.

Always take your download from the EVGA site
http://www.evga.com/support/download/default.aspx

and never select the BETA version

A Beta version, driver is released by Nvidia, and although tested by them, has not been certified by them. They release it for further testing, amongst the user community and then after correcting any "bugs" for want of a better word if necessary, they release it as a certified driver.

Although the EVGA download will be a link to the Nvidia site, as it is a Nvidia GPU, it does not always follow that the lastest driver offered by Nvidia, on their site, for your graphics GPU is the right one for your EVGA card.

I have replied here rather than to the PM, as that is the general rule of GeekstoGo and secondly YOU then have the benefit of further advice from any member who wishes to add a comment to my advice.