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The tier 2 system in this article is the type of build I would recommend for the type of work you listed in Post #8.

http://www.hardware-...-december-2011/
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Thanks for the replies. I'm getting somewhere. Hadn't realised that I would need a workstation PC. Pretty silly it seems but I thought a gaming rig would bring enough power for that... (- I'm sure I read that somewhere, must have been false advertising!)

So I've scouted around for a strong workstation graphics card and found the nvida quadro range to probably be the best? I've decided on the Quadro 2000. It's pretty much at the high end of my budget (slightly over, really) but seems worth it.
My budget is around the £1000+ mark btw.


PNY Quadro 2000 1GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 x16 DVI-I
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133353



Will this GPU compliment the motherboard I've listed or do I need to find a new motherboard? The board was rated one of the best gaming boards. So I'm a little stuck now since I'm now creating a workstation.

Thanks for all your help again, it may seem like I'm going on a bit. But I just want it all to be perfect for what I need and to last me a good few years yet.
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Unfortunately, I don't see any professional reviews on that card, but there are several user reviews, all quite favorable.

Pretty silly it seems but I thought a gaming rig would bring enough power for that... (- I'm sure I read that somewhere, must have been false advertising!)

"False" advertising is a bit strong - more like "marketing fluff". No doubt a good gaming graphics card will support design work, just like a good coal shovel can move lots of snow. But when it's snow you are shoveling, a snow shovel is better.

The board was rated one of the best gaming boards.

Oh? Yet neither of the words "gaming" or "game" appear even once on the Newegg page. On the board's own ASUS web page, "gaming" is mentioned - just once way down at the bottom in reference to SLI and Crossfire support - a standard feature on many motherboards today. While it may serve well as a gaming board, it is not marketed as a gaming board - as this board is.

That said, workstation and gaming motherboards are not "tweaked" for workstation tasks or gaming tasks in the manner graphics cards are. How you populate (choice of RAM, GPU, drives, CPU(s)) the motherboard determines its primary function. You don't need a real workstation motherboard to do workstation tasks, although there are motherboards designed specifically for that type of work. They often support two or more multi-core CPUs and 6 or more PCIe x 16 graphics slots for supporting up to and beyond 12 large high resolution monitors. Some support up to 96Gb of RAM (12 x 8Gb). They can be budget busters too. Workstation boards can be configured and used for many things - from simple one function cash registers, to CAE/CAD and graphics-intensive design, to file servers.

If this is a business expense, business computer, to be used primarily to put food on your table and a roof over your head, you might consider a real workstation motherboard and computer. You will have to redo your homework on processor(s), RAM and maybe power supply - but only you can set that priority setting. A general purpose computer can do everything fairly well, nothing spectacularly, and at an excellent cost. A gaming machine can do everything average to fairly well, offer good to excellent gaming, but bust budgets. A workstation can do everything average to fairly well, good to excellent workstation tasks, and also bust budgets.

Personally, I like having separate custom computers designed and built based on what I ask of them. A gaming PC for games, a work PC for my business business, a work PC for my personal business. A HTPC for the home theater, a kids PC for the kids (or grandkids and guests in my case), a notebook for when I am on the road, and a storage server to back them all up. But that's not in a lot of people's budgets and certainly, that is not something I able to afford in one shot, or one year for that matter. In fact the storage server is a re-purposed 8-year old XP box.

But, back on point, if this is a business computer, a tool you need to do your job, I would build it for that function and that function only, then claim it on taxes as a business expense. You don't get 1:1 back but if you do both work and personal stuff, and you want to claim it taxes, you have to deal with work vs. personal percentages issues and those are audit magnets.
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Very good advice from Digerati, and some questions for you to ponder. We await your reply.

If you wish to keep going using G2G, please list the software you will be using.
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Oh? Yet neither of the words "gaming" or "game" appear even once on the Newegg page.

It was on another site, a site that had listed within certain category's to be the best and highest rated (by the consumers that used the website) hardware gaming. Not specifically gaming hardware.
I've only listed newegg url's in order for you lot to find the items easier. I'm from the UK and use other sites...

If you wish to keep going using G2G, please list the software you will be using.

If you wish to keep going using?
I'll be using the full Adobe suite, Toonboom, 3D software such as 3DS max, Z Brush and so on...


Thank you for all the help. I've gone with this current build now as I don't think you've presented any problems with it and must be a good. Am I right in thinking this?
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I've only listed newegg url's in order for you lot to find the items easier. I'm from the UK and use other sites...

And I posted the manufacturer's site as tend to know what they are marketing.
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If you wish to keep going using?


Geeks to Go, I asked just in case you thought of looking for a pre built or system.

I'll be using the full Adobe suite, Toonboom, 3D software such as 3DS max, Z Brush and so on..


I urge you to reread this article, http://www.hardware-...-december-2011/ Take note of of recomendation for PhotShop, etc.
Maybe I missed it, but have not seen any mention of HDDs or configuation.

I've gone with this current build now


You need to post a completed build so we can see everyting in one place.

I don't think you've presented any problems with it


Not problems but clarification needed, choice of GPU, HDD/s, final calculation of PSU.

must be a good. Am I right in thinking this?


No, until you have posted a final build, we are unable to say, good or not.

Edited by iammykyl, 22 January 2012 - 04:35 PM.

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Here's my build:


Corsair Memory Obsidian 650D Mid-Tower Black Case
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811139006

Corsair Memory TX650 V2 650W ATX Enthusiast Series
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139020

ASUS 1155 SABERTOOTH P67 REV 3.0 S/L
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131702

2x Corsair CMZ8GX3M1A1600C10 Vengeance Memory Module
http://www.newegg.co...Z8GX3M1A1600C10

Intel Sandybridge i7-2600K Unlocked Core i7 Quad-Core Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB Cache, Socket 1155)
http://www.newegg.co...bridge i7-2600K

Seagate ST2000DL003 Barracuda Green 3.5-inch 2TB SATA 6 Gb/s Drive (64MB Buffer,5900RPM)
http://www.newegg.co...acuda Green 3.5

PNY Quadro 2000 1GB GDDR5 PCI-Express 2.0 x16 DVI-I
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133353



How does that sound iammykyl??
I've gone through the link you sent. My build seems within the tier 2 build. Quite similar. Some of my parts are different though...
Will the PSU be enough to support it?
What are the differences between the GTX 520 and the Quadro 2000? The Quadro is far more expensive.
I understand the GTX is DDR3 and the Quadro is DDR5 is that a massive gain?
I feel due to the price of the GTX that it is far less competent and is only perhaps going to see me through some software use rather than all I want to do with it now and in the future. Is this true?
The motherboard I'm still wary about, is it a good choice for this system?
Or are the one's listed in the tier 2 system you've posted conifgured a lot better? They're a similar price...
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The case, read the reviews on Newegg, not very good.
PSU. may vbe OK, abut have to recalculate after all is selected.
RAM, select after Momo.
Mobo, A much better upgrade path would be with a Z68 chipset, Also prevents access to any graphics features of the K series CPUs.

CPU, As most of your software will not use Hyper Threading, a SB 2599K will do the job very well.
HDD, is a green drive, not suitable for an OS drive.
GPU, unluess you are doing very high quality potographic work coupled with a properly calabrate monitor and printer, it is a waste of your money, a GTX 569 ti would perform as well for you.

Here is a build that will give you a very good workstation with a future upgrade path should you need it later

I have picked the parts on this site, You could register, enter the below build and edit it as you want.

http://pcpartpicker.com/

Does not include, DVD burner and OS.

Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/3ZSPPart price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker....ZSP/by_merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£170.98 @ Maplin Electronics) Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£143.25 @ Maplin Electronics) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£119.98 @ Dabs) Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£64.44 @ Dabs) Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£80.52 @ Scan.co.uk) Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£80.52 @ Scan.co.uk) Hard Drive: Western Digital RE4 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£127.32 @ Scan.co.uk) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2GB Video Card (£215.87 @ Scan.co.uk) Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case (£134.99 @ Maplin Electronics) Power Supply: Corsair 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£86.98 @ Dabs) Total: £1224.85(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)(Generated 2012-01-23 10:10 GMT+0000)


Sorry about the text, editor gone funny.

The permalink suprsingly works.

Edited by iammykyl, 23 January 2012 - 05:26 AM.

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