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Compatability ACAD Desktop Rig

Started by ryanpaschall , Feb 18 2012 08:58 PM

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#1
ryanpaschall

Posted 18 February 2012 - 08:58 PM

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FINALLY! A website that offers free advice! (the heavens open and God rays shine through the clouds with the sound of "ah!")
I have 2 main problems I need solved.
I'm currently a college student going for a degree in Land Surveying & later architecture. My desktop's primary use will be for ACAD. My budget is $2400 but I cannot go over $2500. The closer to $2400 the better. I need to know if the parts here are compatible with one another and if there's anything I can cut down to get back to my budget WITHOUT compromising on performance & my 27".
I also have a laptop piece for my laptop that just needs a replaced hard drive for personal use. ($91) that is part of my budget.
& I also have a refurbished $180 360 slim that I'm pondering to exchange for bestbuy's (I hate bestbuy's prices & service) in-store credit. Anywhere I can use that money without over paying by 40%?
Thank you all in advance for doing what most people charge $50 for :rolleyes:

Edited List
Case $165
Power Supply $99
Motherboard $165
CPU $356
Memory $91
Workstation Card $437
Storage $163
Optical Drive $22
OS $140
Keyboard $47
Mouse $48
Speakers $35
Monitor $275
Thermal Paste $7
Extra Fans $16 $15 $15 $5
Laptop $91
$2192 total

*Case
Antec Twelve Hundred V3 Black Steel ATX Full Tower Unbeatable Gaming Case
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129100
$165 ($0 shipping)

*Power Supply
Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified High Performance Modular Power Supply CP-9020002-NA
http://www.amazon.co...G/ref=de_a_smtd
$99 (free shipping)

*Motherboard
Boxed Intel Desktop Board Extreme Series ATX Form Factor for Second Generation Intel Core Family Processors BOXDP67BGB3
http://www.amazon.co...f_rd_ied=507846
$165 (free shipping)

*CPU
Intel Core i7 Processor i7-2700K 3.5GHz 8MB LGA1155 CPU BX80623I72700K
http://www.amazon.co...29524797&sr=8-3
$355 (free shipping)

*Memory
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16 GB DDR3 SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B
http://www.amazon.co...TF8&me=&seller=
$86 ($4.99 shipping)

*Graphics Card
PNY VCQ2000D-PB Quadro 2000D 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Workstation Video Card
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133382
$430 ($6.29 shipping)

*Storage
Crucial 128 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT128M4SSD2 http://www.amazon.co...29415399&sr=8-1
$163 (free shipping)

*Optical Drive
LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827106289
$22 (free shipping)

*Operating System
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116992
$140 (free shipping)

*Keyboard
Microsoft SIDEWINDER X4 Keyboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16823109191
$47 (free shipping)

*Mouse
Razer Deathadder Infrared Gaming Mouse (RZ01-00151400-R3)
http://www.amazon.co...29361441&sr=1-7
$48

*Speakers
Philips SPA7210 Multimedia Speakers
http://www.amazon.co...29525171&sr=8-7
$35 (free shipping)

*Monitor
Acer - H274HLbmd 27" LED LCD Monitor - 16:9 - 5 ms - Black
http://www.bestbuy.c... BMID&cp=1&lp=4
$275

*Thermal Paste
Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound 3.5g Tube
http://www.amazon.co...f_rd_ied=507846
$7 (free shipping)

*Extra Accesories

Rosewill RFA-120-BL 120mm 4 Blue LEDs LED Case Fan
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835200049
$8 (x2) (free shipping)

Enzotech MOS-C1 C1100 Forged Copper Heatsinks only
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835708011
$15

Enzotech MST-88 C1100 Forged Copper Heatsinks only
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835708016
$15

SilverStone Maximum Vented PCI Slot Covers AEROSLOTS-BP (Black)
http://www.amazon.co...29526791&sr=8-2
$5

*Laptop-

Crucial 64 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT064M4SSD2
http://www.amazon.co...29415399&sr=8-1
$91 (free shipping)

Edited by ryanpaschall, 19 February 2012 - 06:35 PM.

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iammykyl

Posted 19 February 2012 - 03:23 AM

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Hi ryanpaschall :welcome:

When you list ACAD, what name, ver, are you going to be using?

IE. Autodesk , Solidworks?

Edited by iammykyl, 19 February 2012 - 03:32 AM.

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Digerati

Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

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Well, you say you want to use this for ACAD but it sure looks like you are building a gaming machine. One does not work well as the other - especially when talking the graphics solution. If you want a serious machine for ACAD (and $2400 is pretty serious) you need to understand that graphics cards designed for gaming do NOT make the best graphics cards for 3D modeling, CAD/CAE work. If you are serious, you need a "workstation" graphics card as seen here. So you need to decide what your priority is - games or design?

Fluorescent lights, LED fans and laser lights??? What the heck for? Fancy lights do absolutely nothing for performance (gaming or CAD/CAE), add some heat, consume some power and do absolutely nothing for performance - worth repeating. And certainly, fancy lights would make a serious CAD machine look like a kid's toy.

Also, I don't like that case. While NO DOUBT, it is a solidly built, quality case with excellent cooling options, it does not have removable, washable air filters and therefore not on my recommended list. Without air filters, sucked in dust, dirt and hair will much more quickly blanket the heat sensitive devices and clog up vents and heatsinks. You will be forced to tear down and lug that heavy system outside for cleaning much more frequently than with a filtered case. And every time you tear down and lug around a computer, you risk damaging and increase wear and tear on all the connectors. And of course, moving a computer around increases physical stress on the motherboard mounting points, especially by the heavy CPU HSF assembly hanging off the board. I personally like Antecs. The tend to sit quietly and discreetly off to the side and not draw attention to themselves - exactly what a good case should do. I like to pay attention to what's on my monitors, not be distracted by noise and bright lights coming from my case. I like the Antec Three Hundred, but the DF-30, or the full ATX, Twelve Hundred V3 are nice - even with the lights - at least they don't flash.

I say if you are going to do this, do it right. Build yourself a good professional workstation to use for your studies if you are serious about being a professional architect and graphics designer. It only makes sense to use the right "tool" for the job - for the best results. After that, when budget permits, build a gaming machine (or buy a game console). At least that is what I would do.

Also, you may not be aware, and for many enthusiasts it is not a concern, but it is important all readers understand that both Intel and AMD warranty their “retail” boxed versions of their CPUs that come with supplied heatsink fan assemblies as “a unit". That is, the 3-year warranty is invalidated and does not cover repairs if the "unit" is split and the CPU is used with an aftermarket cooling solution. OEM heatsink fan assemblies supplied by both AMD and Intel are excellent, fully capable, and relatively quiet coolers.

From a design standpoint, as an aspiring architect might be interested in, there is the motherboard architecture. Designers purposefully surround the CPU socket with heat generating and sensitive devices so they too may take advantage of the air turbulence from the "anticipated" OEM heatsink fan. Changing the fan orientation with an aftermarket cooler (or using a fan-less cooler) changes the cooling those surrounding devices receive.

#4
ryanpaschall

Posted 19 February 2012 - 04:42 PM

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I appreciate the lightning responses!

I am not certain which ACAD program I will be using because I'm not going to start drafting classes until fall.

The lights were just cosmetic, but I can see your point if I'm going to be using it for work, so I can cut those out.

Dust was a concern but not as serious of a concern as you're making it visible to me. I thought I could just use an air duster every now and then but I suppose filters would be best because they'd catch most of the dust. Will the mid tower cases be big enough for my cards & air flow?

How much power will I need in my power supply?

I'll stick with the stock CPU cooler then and use that money towards a 2nd monitor.

I like the Antec 1200 v3 full tower.
Does the side panel fan have a dust filter?

Thanks again for the intuitive advice.

I'll edit the list as I learn what to change

Edited by ryanpaschall, 19 February 2012 - 06:29 PM.

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iammykyl

Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:18 PM

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I like the Antec 1200 v3 full tower.Does the side panel fan have a dust filter?

This from the user manual, so looks like a filter is supplied with the fan but not with the case. Side Air Filter [/size] There is a filter located in the side fan bracket. It is located on the inside of the side panel, so you must open the side panel to access it. Remove the filter by sliding it out of the bracket.

How much power will I need in my power supply?

Not known until everything else is decided on, then a PSU calculator is used.

I'll edit the list as I learn what to change .

It is better not to edit the list in your post as this can be missed and can get quite messy.
go to this site, it will find prices from the larger outlets and give the cheapest price for each component and a total cost, register so you can save your build and make alterations, be sure to select your country, top right, I find it easer to work down the page rather than across.

http://pcpartpicker.com/

Edited by Digerati, 20 February 2012 - 07:51 AM.
Removed tiny, hard to read, font

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ryanpaschall

Posted 20 February 2012 - 02:35 PM

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awesome, thank you iammykyl. you answered my questions and some
however, pcpartpicker doesn't include workstation cards in the video card section

Edited by ryanpaschall, 20 February 2012 - 02:52 PM.

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iammykyl

Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:14 PM

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however, pcpartpicker doesn't include workstation cards in the video card section

OK will look at that tonight.

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iammykyl

Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:11 AM

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Been looking at workstation Mobos, quite expensive and the same for the CPUs.

I will spec a quality rig that will do the job, options to upgrade should you need more storage, RAID if your software requires a scratch disc/discs, a workstation GPU.

You could later move the GPU into a professional build, turn this one into a gamer, keep or sell it.

It would be most useful if you could find out from the college, what CAD software would be used.

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Digerati

Posted 21 February 2012 - 08:13 AM

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I thought I could just use an air duster every now

Not sure what you mean by "air duster". If you mean cans of compressed dusting gas (incorrectly called "canned air"), then the same thing applies. You need to lug the system outside to blast out. Doing it inside just tosses all the dust into the air again, ready to be sucked back in to the computer, or sinuses.

Will the mid tower cases be big enough for my cards & air flow?

Understand the "mid" has more to do with the size motherboard, and number of hard drives it supports. And a mid tower will fit a standard size ATX motherboard and several (typically 4 - 6) hard drives.

Note this Antec Nine Hundred Two Mid Tower supports 9 drives, 8 slots, and 4 large (including one giant 200mm) fans (and it has washable air filters).

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Digerati

Posted 21 February 2012 - 09:48 AM

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Been looking at workstation Mobos

Yeah they can be. That said, I don't really see the advantage to a workstation motherboard, unless it supports some feature you must have. The graphics solution is the main one, IMO.