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When I got my case, an Apevia X-Infinity http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811144076 it came with a top mounted fan that was inside the case. Due to clearance with the PSU, I had to remove the fan. I actually got it rigged to the outside now but it's blowing out instead of in. There is the side panel fan and then this top mount fan. The side panel fan is blowing in while the top is blowing out so it is kind of like a pass through with the air. The side panel fan blows to my CPU/graphics card, (graphics card is directly below the CPU) while the top fan would blow to the back of the graphics card. Is this a problem that the top fan is blowing out?
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Hello

No there shouldn't be a problem with the air blowing out...
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I have been playing Tomb Raider, the new one on PC. I have the graphics at the best they can be that's allowed by my PC. The temp gets up to about 98.8 degrees Farenheit, steady. How good/bad is this?

Part's list:
CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504
RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231314
MOBO: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157294
PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139020
GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127490
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This is at 37 c,so you are really good on the temps...
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Alright, awesome, thank you! What is the temp where it starts getting bad?

Edited by heartgrave, 27 July 2013 - 07:33 AM.

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Hello heartgrave

It is best if you keep the CPU as near to the Intel TCase temperature of 67.4°C but perfectly fine to go above this to between 75°C and 80°C when gaming etc.

In answer to the cooling fan arrangement, for effective case cooling you should have where possible an induction fan at the front of the case to draw in cool, clean air + a rear chassis exhaust fan to expel the hot air from inside the case, any other top/side fans etc are a bonus but many are aesthetic only with their nice colored LEDs etc, good cable management also helps keep things cooler as it reduces turbulence inside the case.

I believe that you can get both a front and rear fan in your case can you not.
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GOOD LORD 176 DEGREES F! Cookies anyone?

I can tell you, the back fan is blowing in, the side fan is blowing in, and the top fan is blowing out. As for the front fan, I don't know if I can get one in there. Wire management is actually quite hard due to the amount of wires coming from my PSU that I don't use (I thought about cutting them off a few times but I can not fathom how stupid it would be) and their length. They over did the wires on it in my opinion. I have them zip tied and stuffed in the front where the HDD/Optical drives and the front fan would go since it's an empty void from only have 1 HDD and 1 optical drive. All but probably 2 wires are routed out of the way of the side and front fans.

You stated "It is best if you keep the CPU as near to the Intel TCase temperature of 67.4°C but perfectly fine to go above" is below this temp, good?

My Case: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811144076 the reviews are bad for it but I have not had any issue with it other than having to move the top fan from the inside to the outside because the PSU was too big to fit in the slot provided with the fan inside.

Edited by heartgrave, 27 July 2013 - 08:36 AM.

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I can tell you, the back fan is blowing in

Internal cooling would be more efficient if a rear chassis fan was blowing out the same as the PSUs cooling fan.

A good software that works well with many brands of MB http://event.msi.com...er/download.htm helps with monitoring temps etc.

I took a look at your case specs earlier and thought I could see room for a chassis fan at the front of the case, see attachment below (is it an optical illusion on my behalf again :whistling: )
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I seen that as well. I went and looked at that same picture after you asked about it in your previous post. There is only two problems with this, I don't think there is any vent in the very front outside of the case... I will have to check this when I get home from work tonight and all my wires are stuffed in that space since there is so much volume of them taking up space. I will take pictures of it later tonight when I get home and check. I will also reverse the fan to blow out. The PSU is blowing in and the rear fan is directly below it blowing in to the hardware, I can see how this would cause some heating problems. I have no way of making the PSU fan blow outside the system unless I remove it, drill holes in the case and flip the PSU over to the upside down position. Flipping the rear fan will help get that heat out, I am sure!

I actually have Afterburner on my PC. It came with my 5770 graphics card. I never knew what it was or what it did so I never touched it. It's just taking up space on my PC. I thought it was an overclocking software.

Edited by heartgrave, 27 July 2013 - 09:27 AM.

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Your temps appear to be fine at present so all I would do is reverse the rear exhaust fan so that it expels hot air, the side fan drawing in cool air is better than having no induction fan so I would leave the cables nice and tidy where you have them at present, the PSU fan is fine as it is as the cooling fan is controlled by a thermal sensor within the PSU and so does not function all of the time and so is not filling the inside of the case with a large amount of hot air.

Afterburner is a tweaking tool but is also used for monitoring temps and such pretty much like Speedfan but more advanced and in depth.
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I seen that as well. I went and looked at that same picture after you asked about it in your previous post. There is only two problems with this, I don't think there is any vent in the very front outside of the case... I will have to check this when I get home from work tonight and all my wires are stuffed in that space since there is so much volume of them taking up space. I will take pictures of it later tonight when I get home and check. I will also reverse the fan to blow out. The PSU is blowing in and the rear fan is directly below it blowing in to the hardware, I can see how this would cause some heating problems. I have no way of making the PSU fan blow outside the system unless I remove it, drill holes in the case and flip the PSU over to the upside down position. Flipping the rear fan will help get that heat out, I am sure!

I actually have Afterburner on my PC. It came with my 5770 graphics card. I never knew what it was or what it did so I never touched it. It's just taking up space on my PC. I thought it was an overclocking software.



You have another option,which is used quite frequently in the South Pacific,i have talked to Techs in Thailand and have seen gamers do this as well...to vent more heat just take the side panel off...Just don't let any pets and or children around the pc like this ...........
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I seen that as well. I went and looked at that same picture after you asked about it in your previous post. There is only two problems with this, I don't think there is any vent in the very front outside of the case... I will have to check this when I get home from work tonight and all my wires are stuffed in that space since there is so much volume of them taking up space. I will take pictures of it later tonight when I get home and check. I will also reverse the fan to blow out. The PSU is blowing in and the rear fan is directly below it blowing in to the hardware, I can see how this would cause some heating problems. I have no way of making the PSU fan blow outside the system unless I remove it, drill holes in the case and flip the PSU over to the upside down position. Flipping the rear fan will help get that heat out, I am sure!

I actually have Afterburner on my PC. It came with my 5770 graphics card. I never knew what it was or what it did so I never touched it. It's just taking up space on my PC. I thought it was an overclocking software.



You have another option,which is used quite frequently in the South Pacific,i have talked to Techs in Thailand and have seen gamers do this as well...to vent more heat just take the side panel off...Just don't let any pets and or children around the pc like this ...........


I am not concerned with the temps anymore since you advised me that my temps were good. I just wanted to make sure that 98F was not too hot. Thank you both for your help!
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You are most welcome :thumbsup:
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Yep you are welcome..
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I took off the front cover of my case and found that you can in fact fit two fans in there for front mount fans. However, where the LCD temperature display is on the front has very minimal opening for airflow. I feel it will not be adequate enough to be done with the restriction of airflow. I did flip the rear fan to now blow out and rerouted all of my cables and made a LOT more room in the case.
Two things I learned today. One, the other side panel is simply screwed in and can be easily removed to access the space behind the motherboard which allowed me to better adjust and store the cables out of sight as much as possible! Two, the metal edges inside are VERY sharp and I actually have a few cuts now.

Anyways, Phillpower2, I feel everyone has the right to see the monster they helped create. All pictures were taken today, after I went inside and did everything stated above. Here it is!

Side panel before redoing the wires.
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Behind the front panel where the LCD temperature display is, behind the spot for front fans.
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All the wiring, redone. I now see the dust I completely missed on the rear fan!
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Zip tied and neatly as possible placed wires stored the expansion bays.
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Better view of the hardware. See the fan at the top, that is the one I had to mount on the outside because the PSU was too long.
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And finally, my setup, after all the work above. The faint glow on the bottom right is my mouse on the charging dock, lit up. Keyboard on the left of course. PC on the far right and of course, my monitor/desktop.
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The PC case, tv, keyboard, mouse, hard drive, and optics drive were all parts I already had before building my computer.

The motherboard, RAM, operating system, graphics card, CPU and PSU were all suggested by Phillpower2.

Parts list:
Case: Apevia X-Infinity black steel ATX mid tower with blue LED. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811144076
Graphics: MSI Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1gb http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127490
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge quad core http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116504
RAM Sticks: 8GB G. Skill Ripjaw Series 240-PIN SDRAM DDR3 1600 http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231314
Motherboard: ASROCK Z77 Extreme 4M http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157294
Power Supply: Corsair TX650 Enthusiast Series http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817139020
Mouse: Razer Naga Epic 17 button gaming mouse http://www.newegg.co...N82E16826153065
Keyboard: Steelseries Merc Stealth http://www.newegg.co...0merc%20stealth
Monitor: LG 42inch LCD 1080P 60Hz connected to PC via HDMI
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium SP1

HDD and optic drive (CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive) are the factory items when I originally bought my first PC. I used them in this build since there is nothing wrong with them. Not only is there nothing wrong with them but they are also not worth mentioning. Enjoy :)

The graphics card I will be getting in a couple weeks. http://www.newegg.co...=02G-P4-2765-KR

Edited by heartgrave, 28 July 2013 - 07:04 AM.

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