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GeForce Titan, Quadro k4000, or something else?


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Hello all -

I'm hoping to get a little help/clarification on which card would better suit my needs, and appreciate any/all help. I'm probably at an intermediate level of understanding when it comes to the technical aspects of computers, so some of the finer points escape me.

In short, i'm looking at two graphics cards to purchase as an upgrade: the geforce titan http://www.geforce.c...s/geforce-gt... cations or the quadro k4000 http://www.nvidia.co...sktop-gpus.html .

Currently, my setup is as follows:

Intel Motherboard Dual Socket Xeon S5520SC
Intel Xeon CPU Fan Heatsink STS100C
2 x 2.26GHz Intel "Nehalem" Xeon Quad Core [8MB]
12GB 1333MHz DDR3 Triple Channel SDRAM (6 x 2GB)
1TB High Speed Hard Drive [64MB Cache, 7200RPM]
StormDrive Dual Layer CD/DVD Writer
850W Silent Power Supply
Windows 7 Pro [64-bit]
NVIDIA Quadro FX 3800 Workstation Graphics Accelerator [1GB]
PCI 3 Port FireWire [TI Chipset]
(additional) 1TB High Performance Drive [64MB Cache SATA 3 6GB]
(additional) 2 TB High Performance Drive [64MB Cache SATA 3 6GB]

I use my workstation for projects and not gaming. CS5 and Toon Boon Harmony are my two mediums for editing/creation. With CS5, it's my understanding that the quadro cards are preferred as they utilize some useful functions (such as mercury playback), and that they handle after effects better for the 3d issues. Conversely, Toon Boom Harmony suggests a geforce card over a quadro, as it corresponds with their software more "inherently" than a quadro. Granted, both programs would work well with either type of card, but is there one that is better fit to run both? And given my setup listed above, would the Titan card be massive overkill/be bottlenecked by slower components - that is to say, is there another "weak" point in my system i should target first (like the processors)?

Thanks.

Edited by axeminster, 02 December 2013 - 02:31 PM.

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Gday axeminster and Posted Image
Please give us a little more information so we are best able to help you.
Why do you feel the need for an upgrade, is it the quality of the images or the speed of the processing/render/conversion that you are not happy with?
Approximately what proportion of the work is done in each program?

Looking at the at TBH GPU requirements/users/Forums, they do not seem to be that high so I think the Titan would be overkill, aimed at gaming/fps.
With the Quadro/firePro, aimed more towards Photography, driver optimized for stability/image quality and official support, My choice would be a GTX, see link 1.

both programs would work well with either type of card, but is there one that is better fit to run both? And given my setup listed above, would the Titan card be massive overkill/be bottlenecked by slower components - that is to say, is there another "weak" point in my system i should target first (like the processors)?


Bottleneck is the pertinent question I think, see link 2. From your system specs, I would be looking at the HDD configuration first.
1. Please read this article. Unlocking GPU and more. > http://www.studio1pr...PremiereCS5.htm
2. Please investigate this site for benchmarking your existing workstation to find bottlenecks. > http://ppbm5.com/index.html




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Thanks so much for the speedy reply and the very helpful links. To explain it more, I will be front running an independent 2d animation project (feature film, app. 85 min) over the next year, and after speaking with the reps at Toon Boom (Toon Boom Harmony is the animation program that will handle 90-95% of the workload for the project), they suggested that a quadro fx 3800 card would not be as sufficient as something from the GeForce line. I've used the program with my current card and it works well, but i haven't been able to strain/stress it too much to know how intense a job it can burden. I have the money to upgrade to another card and want to be able to hit the ground running once things really take off in January. It could be a premature purchase but my current card is a few years old as it is.
My main concern/question is: are my quad core processors only compatible with a quadro graphics card? I believe the company that built my computer, Rain Computers, informed me that I could only use a workstation/quadro card with my setup. This, incidentally, also perpetuated the idea that quadro is a better line overall, when the link you've sent seems to prove that incorrect.

Any additional advice/help you could offer would be great. I consider myself fairly tech savvy, but I am lacking in firm knowledge on technical issues pertaining to hardware (like terraflops?). Basically, I just want to make sure if I get a GeForce card, it will work and improve my overall clock speed and improve my system, given the listed specs above.

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Thanks for the update, and your a pleasure. , Posted Image

My main concern/question is: are my quad core processors only compatible with a quadro graphics card?


I can see/find no mechanicl reason for consumer GPU not being compatible with the CPUs. It is only a software issue, in the case of adobe, fixed with a script. There may be a ristriction in the TBM software that prevents a specific function, I have not seen such a restriction from posts were people are using cards like the GTX 680 and above. You need to pin that Rep down, and don't let him/her of the hook.


I see you are up on the Adobe forum, The right place to be but it is hard to tweak the interest of the more experienced members, hence you got 1.cc_merchant. Try title, "rep tells me my Duel Xeons not support GTX Titan." Ask about HDD configuration, as i mentioned probable your bottleneck, consider using a PCI RAID card.







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First, again I thank you strongly for being a help - especially considering how difficult it seems to be to find useful information from knowledgeable people.
Second, here is where i still show as still "wet behind the ears." I've never been too clear on the subject of RAIDs, especially given the levels of cards (0-10, i think?) and striping and such. Any information you could offer would greatly help, as i would definitely consider them if they stand to upgrade the overall performance of my machine.
Third, in the event i was to get a RAID and/or different processor chips, is it as easy as dropping those new pieces in and rebooting? Or do i have to install different drivers, reformat hdd, etc etc?

Thanks in advance.
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Hello -

I've finally got some legitimate help on the adobe boards but would also like your input on this matter too. I believe i'm going to get a gtx 770 gpu and also double my ram to 6x4gb ram sticks. Would you be able to take a look at these two examples and discern if they are viable options that are compatible with my system?

http://www.amazon.co...NY/ref=pd_ybh_1

http://www.amazon.co...eywords=gtx+770


Thanks so much.
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Gday.
Sorry for the delay, looking at your Post 5 and will get back.
The links to Amazon in Post 6, do not work for me.
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perfect timing, i was just about to turn in for the night.

here are the links again:

http://www.amazon.co...NY/ref=pd_ybh_1

http://www.amazon.co...eywords=gtx 770

if they don't work for some reason, the gpu is a EVGA GeForce GTX770 Classified with EVGA ACX Cooler 4GB GDDR5 256-Bit Dual-Link DVI-I DVI-D HDMI DP SLI Ready Graphics Card and the ram would be 2 sets of Corsair XMS3 12GB (3x4GB) DDR3 1333 MHz (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory (CMX12GX3M3A1333C9)

thanks!
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Gday.
I am going to give a link to your topic on the Adobe Forum so readers who are interested can better understand opinions for any hardware recommendations.
> http://forums.adobe....message/5893144.
Got bogged down looking for proof that 4GB of vram is better than 2GB for video production/editing. Only able to find opinions and recommendations, no actual benchmarks. Plenty for gaming where benchmarks show 4GB only required for extreme setting on multi monitors or top resolution. The 770s all perform with only marginal difference between them. They mostly use open coolers dumping the heat into the case so good case cooling is needed. I would go for the 4GB, but base the selection on heat and noise, Review for your selected, > http://www.hitechleg...ll=&limitstart=
Pricing comparison, 04G-P4-3778-KR > http://pcpartpicker....,3072,2560,2048
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Gday.
That RAM is OK, > http://www.amazon.co.../?tag=pcpapi-20
Your MB Manual, Pages 32/33 for slot population. > Intel® Workstation Board S5520SC - download.intel.nl


RAID, A visual, > http://rog.asus.com/...id-setup-guide/
A decent explanation, > http://forums.adobe.com/thread/525263

in the event i was to get a RAID and/or different processor chips, is it as easy as dropping those new pieces in and rebooting? Or do i have to install different drivers, reformat hdd, etc etc?


Unfortunately the painful last part.
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Thank you so much for your truly helpful assistance. I am going to go with 2 3x4gb kits of the ram you affirmed is compatible, and I'm going to grab the 770 gtx 4gb classified model by EVGA...may as well go overboard than underboard, I feel.

Again, thank you very much.
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You are welcome axeminsterPosted Image
If you don't mind? can you tell us in what slots is your current RAM installed?



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Oh, I don't know that off the top of my head. I'd have to crack the cpu open when i get home or when i receive the new RAM. It was a custom build model from another company and the RAM is one thing that i haven't ever changed personally.
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Gday.
You can use Speccy Free to get all hardware/configuration on your computer, does not collect any personnel information. Use the Download from Pinifor.com link on > Instructions http://www.bleepingc...t-using-speccy/
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