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#31
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Gday.
Thanks for the update, now we can sort out the remainder of your parts. How did your exams go?
Screwdriver. You do not need a torch, this is exactly what you need, > http://www.ebay.in/i...#ht_1553wt_1352
RAM. Should be OK but, to be posative, please supply the spec number, (e.g. CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9)

The old 250 GB HDD from my current system is an ATA, good for a RAID setup?


No. RAID drives should be the same type and size. If you could buy a suitable cheap encloser, it would be good for backups.


CPU. We have been looking at the Intel Core i5-3470 3.2GHz (on the left of the page,) Can you find the Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz, at about the same price, (on the right of the page) > http://www.newegg.co...%24%24%24%24%24
What do you think to deciding on the CPU, then find the board to match?

MB. You are not going to use a CPU for overclocking, You are not going to be installing a second GPU, as this would require a bigger PSU, a case with better cooling and you would get better results in 3 or 4 years time by upgrading the GPU to the latest one on the market. so you do not need a high end MB. Those extra $ could go toward other parts.
This was the original board selected MSI ZH77A-G43 ATX Intel Motherboard On the right of the page + some to compare (I have only used MSI MBs to save mix ups.)
> http://www.newegg.co...%24%24%24%24%24
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A GDay to you too.

CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9R This is the model for the RAM. Ok I get the point, bu then are there any alternatives to the MSI motherboard, same range stuff? And mixups? - i didn't get he point there sorry.

Ok i read some reviews before writing this paragraph. So I think yeah I should spare he extra 10 dollars for i5-4570. I read guys are overclocking Haswell. How does that work? I have only just understood a wee bit about how unlocked chips work. One thing though those blank spaces on the newegg comparison table, is that a cause for worry? And its HD4600 on the i5-4570 vs the HD2500 on the i5-3470?Just want to confirm this detail.

And okay these 2 are most important of course, so now could we get down to selecting the right monitor? Selecting a mouse is as troublesome. :huh: :huh:
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Oh yeah forgot mentioning the exams were ok. One more thing is there much of a difference etween i5-4570 and i5-4670? The price difference isn't much considering i make a move from i5- 3470 -around 13.8k, i5-4570 - 14.4k, i5-4670- 15k.
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Thanks for the update.
RAM. Will be compatible with MBs you are looking at, > http://www.corsair.c...m2a1600c9r.html

bu then are there any alternatives to the MSI motherboard, same range stuff? And mixups? - i didn't get he point there sorry.


Yes, alternatives from Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, any specific model is almost identical and differ in the quality of of some parts, features like, one may have eSATA and another not, also the different utilities, like OC tuning or power management.
When you see benchmarks where the same hardware is used, CPU/RAM/GPU, they all perform within a fraction of each other. I put up the MSI boards so you could see any major differences, like number of PCI-E 3.0 slots etc and cost as they appeared to be a cheaper option in your region.

So I think yeah I should spare he extra 10 dollars for i5-4570. I read guys are overclocking Haswell. How does that work? I have only just understood a wee bit about how unlocked chips work.


I think right to go with the i5 4570, but this is not an unlocked CPU, You have a limited Turbo Boost by pressing a key/switch. An unlocked CPU would be the i5 4670K with a little bit more Turbo Boost, cost about $50 more. If you truly want to OC, you have to start tuning/altering things and unluess yu are into benchmarking i don't think it is worth messing about with. Google, how to overclock my i5 4670K.
Basic comparison of the CPUs. > http://www.cpu-world...5_i5-4670K.html

NB. blank spaces on Newegg not a worry, specs did come up right on the MSI website.

And its HD4600 on the i5-4570 vs the HD2500 on the i5-3470?Just want to confirm this detail.


Yes, the better integrated Graphics on the i5 4570.

All the listed MBs (H87 North Bridge) are exactly the same until this line on the specs, Audio Chipset. then you have to decide on the features you want and the cost/availability. They will all support your other parts, You could in the future upgrade by, selling the CPU and installing an i7. Add more RAM. Upgrade the GPU.
> http://www.newegg.co...%24%24%24%24%24
let us know which you can want/can get, don't forget to add in the cost of the screw driver then we know how much is left for the monitor.


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The H87s are fine, but then then I have a problem with the number of PCIe slots, also number of ports is a problem(USB 2 and 3, any of my peripheral devices like the printer, mouse, etc end up as USB 2, I know brackets are available but then there's no eSATA).

I think the Z87 Extreme6 by ASRock is better, though i know I or almost anybody would possibly never need Quad SLI or CrossfireX. I like the number of PCIe and ports provided. But I would like to have your word about ASRock, are they dependable?

From the tons of reviews iI see even ASUS or ok everybosy's MOBos fail, with perhaps ASUS being second to ASRock, but if it works for you, then you get value for money on the ASRock.

I'll explain myself further, given that you suggest I upgrade GPU and CPu at a later date, i got to have on-board expandability, the H87 seems poor i dunno why there has to be so much of a difference between the overclockable MoBo and the non-oc. Ok you may use more components and intensively..hmm ok I'm just buyingnot someone fit to comment on design.

And Z87 - LGA1150 coz Broadwell will use these same as Haswell, so I dunno i would like to oc a Broadwell. And I meant the non-K version i5-4670. There's S,K,R and T apart from it, but then I don't need them right now. Oh so I was asking whether 8 dollars or so on the non-K i5-4670 are worth it, or is it ok to go with i5-4570? I read the benchmark score's difference is 500 for those 8 dollars. Now does that translate into something you should go for? I read a lot of discussions, but there're mixed opinions doing the rounds on i5-4570 vs i5-4670.

The screwdriver isnt a worry, got it for 5 dollars. I would still peg he monitor at 100-120 dollars at the max(I could go 10 dollars higher but for very good reasons).I checked som again, and I think I can't possibly get 1920x1200 or 1920x1080 in that price range can I? I found mostly 1600x900 for which reviews sounded good o'course.

MoBo in short, I may be forced to take a Quad GPU, but are here 2 GPU mdels< just lessen my guilt, I already feel stupid having even mentioned that as a choice, but th number of ports and other stuff keep me rooted(is there another option?), especially, the one eSATA port is good.
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Sorry I meant the ASRock Z87 Extreme4 not Extreme6.
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Gday.
Note. Any USB 2.0 devices you already have, when plugged into a USB 3.0 socket will only run at USB 2.0 speed.
Asrock are a very good Boards, I usually recommend them over other brands, so far, no DOA, but as you mentioned, you couldget a bad one the same as any other brand.
Noted your concerns and yes, I would go with the Extreme4, > http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157369
Download your user manual, > http://www.asrock.co...me4/?cat=Manual

Mouse. I would use your existing at first, before buying, I would go somewhere you could try out some, wired not wireless, start with a 5 button mouse, any more takes a lot of mastering.
1920 x 1200
Monitor. the 16-10 Aspect ratio( Resolution 1920 x 1200) cheapest on Newegg, > http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824236331
Here is the Phillips. I do Not think is suitable, > http://www.philips.c...=specifications
This is the Aoc you have looked at, Almost what you need but, only has 1 VGA D-sub input, > http://www.naaptol.c...p/12266484.html
This is the kind of monitor you should be looking for, > http://www.naaptol.c...s/monitors.html
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GDay.
I may have to skip the idea of 1920x1200,instead go for 1920x1080.I hope I'm not going to miss out too much by going for 16:9 instead of 16:10?Yur take on it?

I too was considering the fact that people are mostly going for ASUS, though AOC sems popular too. Here's something a little over my budget but closer half the price of the 24 inch you suggested. I'll have to do a lot of convincing still.

http://geb.ebay.in/g...MPUTER-MONITOR-

Then there's this one. Suitable? I guess we need to keep in Mind the Graphics Card GT640, the MoBo and Monitor, all have same number of ports? Ok this a BenQ:

http://www.flipkart....5c-bf5e23ca1368

or this one:

http://www.amazon.in...F0?tag=buyt1-21

or perhaps this being the second on the low-price range:

http://www.flipkart....ExtParam1=buyt1

I guess I will need an HDMI port too right? so the one above is ok?

Mouse I think we should have to look about that most certainly now. Because unlike my current MoBo, the ASRock, of course evry new MoBo has only 1 PS/2 connection, both my mouse and keyboard are PS/2, there're 2 ports. So its a choice between keeping a keyboard and a mouse. Also there's this part about 5 button mice, they may become the norm., so shouldn't I start on one. Ok, nothing too high dpi, and yeah of course max. 5 buttons, I would look foolish with a 20 button Naga.
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I'm posting this separately because this remains unanswered since last 2 posts, i5-4570 vs i5-4670 (non-K,S,r,t..just plain). i5-4670 scores 500 points more on benchmark tests, and costs just a trifle. Oh yeah I've decided against overclocking its too technical, andI'm at the moment learning to be a trader/quant/analyst.

I read about somebody running a 2 Xeon system, 3 monitors clocking 4.5-4.8 GHz. That convinces me I have a long way to go before I overclock, have no reasons to even try. And scared of adverse results too.

Right so a benchmark for 8 dollars or so..that's to me 500 rupees for the 500 extra points, also it turboes to about 3.8GHz against 3.4 or 3.6GhZ for the i5-4570. What's your opinion on this one?
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how about this for a mouse?
http://www.flipkart....CCD4YQZKGBHFPNZ
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Sorry for the delay, had visitors today.
CPU, yes, go for the i5 4670, will make little difference in gaming but better performance in the applications.
Mouse. Looks good and a reasonable price.
I too can't afford a 16:10 monitor so, needs must. I don't think you will find any problems with 16:9. You could get a 16:10 later to use as your work surface and keep the other for displaying your tools, gaming and browsing.
About displays, > http://www.cadalyst.com/2013monitors
HDMI. You are going to use your existing speakers so you will not use it for your sound. If you buy a monitor with speakers, then you could use it, or connect to a TV that has the input.
HDMI is the first industry-supported, uncompressed, all-digital audio/video interface. HDMI provides an interface between audio/video devices, such as Blu-ray players, cable and satellite set-top boxes, DVD players, audio video receivers, and digital displays. HDMI supports all types of video-standard, enhanced, and high-definition. HDMI also supports multi-channel digital audio on a single cable. HDMI can transmit all ATSC HDTV standards and supports 8-channel, 192kHz, uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (Dolby Digital and DTS). HDMI 1.3 added additional support for new lossless digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio with bandwidth to spare to accommodate future enhancements and requirements.


Looking for what is available, I would go for this monitor, will give sharper images than the 23 inch one. > http://www.naaptol.c...p/12288095.html
The final choice has to be yours, just make sure it has VGA and DVI. about 5ms response.
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Gday.

I see we both are online at the same time :thumbsup: . I'll surely take a call on the monitor. One thing I want to know is this IPS technology for monitors, how much and what sort of a difference does it make? I heard that whatever it is LG makes them the best and has the largest market share...?

About the RAM, just wanted to sort of inform, they're refunding me the whole amount. Oh and I'm in luck, flipkart, the best e-retailer in this part of the world is now finnally selling it a similar price. i was about to order G-Skill, oh there's one oddity, 1866 MHz Model 2x4GB RAM costs 2-3 Dollars less, lol, I dunno, I should make the jump, save change, I know It will run at only 1600 MHz, but is there a possibility of an unstable system?
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Gday.
I would not say that any particular good brand monitor is better than another because most buy the panels from just a few manufacturers, same for TV screens, they then mount it in their case with the bits that make it work.
Here is some info, > http://www.tnpanel.com/tn-vs-ips-va/ > http://www.tftcentra...uk/articles.htm and a Forum, they get most of it right, > http://forums.hexus....ips-vs-led.html

RAM, It would be best if you gave the exact model numbers or a link to what is being considered.
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Hi Ok I guess we can get down to live posting here, lol.

Its CMZX...1600c9R vs the CMZX..1866C9R, both of course 2x4GB. Ok and yeah I need to research on DCF ratios now.
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Hey every other forum says my IP Address is banned??!! I'm not a paedophile or terrorist, c'mon!! Hexus administrator says I'm banned, I had no idea they even existed until 5 minutes ago.
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