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#31
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I think I am going to stick with the build but maybe get the 11gb graphics card instead, the Ti version. As you said, my computer is already good and I will be seeing a minimal performance upgrade, so maybe the Ti will help even more? If I stream and have my game on high settings, I lag on the stream playback. So I have to turn my in game settings down and the lag on the stream goes away. Twitch says this is caused by in game settings being too high and taking up too many graphics resources.


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 Before jumping into a brand new GPU, Please watch review/demos from this guy, I encourage you to look at the links, as, if your main concern is streaming, it is very informative, > https://blunty.tv/20...-for-streaming/

 

Here's a review/performance , > https://www.trustedr...dia-rtx-2080-ti

 

Updated CPP, > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wF27V6


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I'm not too sure how to interpret that video. The only thing I seem to get from it, is the 2080 is not better for streaming. I stream @ 6k mbps as mentioned in that video. if I play my games on max settings, the stream drops frames (lags) and falls way behind the normal 5-10 seconds delay. It ends up being 45 seconds to over 1 minute delayed. But if I lower my in game graphics, the stream no longer drops frames. Even on games that are less graphics intensive, like Grim Dawn or League of Legends, if I have them on max, the stream playback lags. By lag, I mean it skips, chops, stutters, freezes for a few seconds, etc. and that is all that my viewers see and that is not good business for me. The game doesn't lag for me playing it, but the live stream does so I don't know it's lagging unless I am looking at my stream.

 

Imagine if you can, without any streaming being involved, trying to play a game on max settings that requires a GTX 1080 to do so, but you're trying to do it with a MSI Radeon Hawk 3770 with 1gb that came out in 2005 (I don't know if a 3770 exists but I am sure you get the idea.) That is what the viewers see.
 

I do use the graphics card encoding as mentioned as well. I haven't been able to figure out how to use the CPU encoding, but I could just simply be missing it.

I wish there is a way that I can show you this. I can make a video of it, but how could I send it to you? Maybe you can view my stream?

 


Edited by heartgrave, 23 April 2019 - 10:39 AM.

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I linked the first video to point out, that for streaming, there is no benefit upgrading to an RTX.  But from other reviews it gives better gaming performance.

I would hate for you to spend $1200 and find no significant performance gain.

The second video, > https://www.youtube....h?v=yfPm5KbdAok  Seems to still recommended CPU for streaming only, mind you, this was before OBS's latest update.   As suggested, set OBS to record locally using your encoder.

I game but don't stream, so you will know more about that than me.   Have you optimized your setting? > https://www.geforce....adcasting-guide

OBS Update, > https://obsproject.com/download

I think that your upgrade should be without a new GPU, use your existing GPU, configure and test; if then not satisfactory, upgrade the GPU. 

https://obsproject.com/wiki/


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I don't record my stream, only upload to twitch for live viewing. Twitch itself records my streams and saves them to their server, so nothing is recorded or saved locally on my system.

 

I will look at the video for youtube later today, since I can't while I am on a work computer. :D

 

As far as OBS goes, it auto updates every time I open it, so it's always up to date.

OK, watching the youtube video, I am using the cpu encoder, always have I guess? In the image below, if you go to the part of the video shown in the image, and play it, combine both side by side videos and that's what I see when watching my stream. My bitrate is at 6k mbps.

On my performance monitor, I am using about 60-64% cpu on my highest settings. On the stream labs obs performance monitor it shows 27-30% and lags frames as they call it.

Lowering the settings to almost everything off or lowest setting, my performance monitor CPU usage drops to 23-58% and the stream labs obs performance monitor shows 20-23% but no lag.


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OK, so, here's a possible stupid question... my power supply is mounted to the bottom of my computer case. There are no vent's or fan's or anything allowing air flow into the PSU from underneath. There is about a half inch clearance between case and PSU. Should I mount the PSU so the fan is on the bottom of the case or flip it so it's up in the open? Currently the fan is on the bottom.


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OK, so, here's a possible stupid question... my power supply is mounted to the bottom of my computer case. There are no vent's or fan's or anything allowing air flow into the PSU from underneath. There is about a half inch clearance between case and PSU. Should I mount the PSU so the fan is on the bottom of the case or flip it so it's up in the open? Currently the fan is on the bottom.

With NO bottom intake vent, the PSU has to work harder to draw enough air for cooling so I face the PSU with the large intake fan facing UP.   Defending on how your cables are routed, may involve a bit of work to switch it around.

 

Sorry, I missed your reply #35.

As I mentioned, don't stream so can't give advice from my experience.   Pretty hard to find clear precise instruction, but cam across this guy.

Two videos.   Go though both and change your settings accordingly.   The first would be for your present setup, CPU encoding, > https://www.youtube....h?v=8RqA5JH8If4

Teh second for GPU encoding, even though you don't have a RTX, using the latest video driver, it will still make a difference, > https://www.youtube....h?v=JRKmNU6U-E0   

Let us know how it goes. 


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I got everything we discussed, on the way. Will be here tomorrow. I went with the Noctua DH-15. However, after further consideration, I want to go with https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA68V6YA3005 or https://www.newegg.c...N82E16835103189 While I am not worried about colors, as mentioned before, I really despise that hideous looking Noctua fan. I really think the reviews of the Dark Rock 4 are due to a lack of understanding or improper installation. Are either of these fans comparable, I don't know how to tell?

 

I did not get 2080 ti at this time.

 

On the PSU topic, I always thought the PSU blew air out from the fan, not suck air in and blow it out the back of the case so I had it facing down.

 

I cancelled the DH-15 order and ordered the Dark Rock Pro 4.

 


Edited by heartgrave, 08 May 2019 - 09:10 AM.

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Thanks for the update.   The difference, Pro 4 vs V8 GTS, is nefligable, so either are OK.

Did you try the 2 setups, (reply 37)? Have you made some notations so you can make comparisons with the new CPU.

 

I know your not a novice, but some suggestions, you may want to follow.

After stripping back the old case.

Change the I/O shield for the one in the MB box.

Check the existing stand offs match the new MB, check they are firmly tightened up.

 

Placing the MB on top of the empty MB box, install the CPU, apply TIM, install the cooler, connect the cooler fan, install the RAM, connect up the 24v and 12v cables, test. 

Install the MB, install the PSU, (big fan facing up) complete the rest.

 

let us know how it goes.   Hoping you won't need the 2080 ti. 

 

Good luck. 


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I will be getting the 2080 ti, just not right now. For now, my dad has my old GTX 970 graphics card he will use until then.

I got the pro 4, I didn't know a pro 5 existed, unless that was a typo? :) It happens! No worries!

 

I never knew what they were called, but the standoffs are the brass looking screws that the MB screws screw into, correct? I always just called em bolts.

 

I know TIM is the thermal paste, but what do the letters stand for?

 

Way for me to sound novice, right!?!? LOL!


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1. Yes, typo, now corrected.

2. yes, "bolts" are the standoffs.

3. TIM = Thermal Insulation Material.

 

We are all novices to some extent.   I can't make head nor tails of crash dump files, nor am I allowed to help with virus problems, we have a trusted team for that.   


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Thanks for clarifying  :D

 

I couldn't tell you the last time I had a virus. I use iObit suite of programs, never had a problem. Usually when something goes wrong, I do a wipe and restart. It's been a long time. Basically, all I have on my computer are games that can all be re-downloaded.

 

Which post do you think I should mark as best answer?


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Before choosing best answer, complete your build and see how much improvement there is to your streaming.


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Motherboard has atx12v1 8 pin and atx12v2 4 pin ports, current psu only has 2 4pin plugs. Is this an issue?

Edited by heartgrave, 12 May 2019 - 05:27 PM.

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Is this the cable from your PSU?

4+4 pin +12 volt power cable

eps4plus4.jpg

Motherboards can come with either a 4 pin 12 volt connector or an 8 pin 12 volt connector. Many power supplies come with a 4+4 pin 12 volt cable which is compatible with both 4 and 8 pin motherboards. A 4+4 power cable has two separate 4 pin pieces. If you plug the two pieces of a 4+4 power cable together then you have a 8 pin power cable which can be plugged into an 8 pin 12 volt connector. If you leave the two pieces separate then you can plug one of the 4 pin pieces into a 4 pin 12 volt connector and leave the other 4 pin piece unplugged.

If you look carefully at the image above then you can see the polarization of the pins which prevents you from plugging the cable in improperly. Some of the pins are square and some of them have rounded off corners. The motherboard connectors have matching square and rounded off corners to prevent the cable from being plugged in the wrong way. But if you look really carefully at the right half of this particular cable and then look at the 8 pin 12 volt cable pictured above you'll notice that they don't match. A regular 8 pin cable has four square pins and four rounded ones but the 4+4 cable shown above has two square pins and 6 rounded ones. The left half of the 4+4 matches the left half of an 8 pin cable but the right half is different. Hmmmm... And this isn't some bizarre cable either. I've seen plenty of 4+4s which look like this one. And then there are other 4+4 cables which look just like an 8 pin cable split in two (which makes sense). Since rounded pins fit into square holes in motherboard connectors, this particular cable will fit just fine into an 8 pin 12 volt motherboard connector. But both halves of this 4+4 will fit into a 4 pin 12 volt motherboard connector. You're supposed to use the left half of the cable shown above when plugging it into a 4 pin motherboard connector but the right half will also fit. As it happens, either half will work fine in a 4 pin motherboard because both halves of the 4+4 just provide 12 volts. The pinouts are the same for both halves so either one will work. I'm not sure why they make cables like this one because you'd figure a 4+4 cable would just be an 8 pin cable which splits in two. And you only need one half of a 4+4 cable to plug into a 4 pin motherboard. The other half is unused. But the kind of 4+4 cable shown above is pretty common so don't let it throw you.


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