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How to tell if someone backdated the time of an email

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Hello everyone, 

 

I didn't know where to post this, so I posted it here. 

 

My dilemma is, I have been in communication with a private non government funded doctors office in Europe. I thought I could trust them because they were referred to me by a hospital. 

 

However, on a disaster video call which I had prepaid a lot for, the doctor said he'd send me a summary of what we spoke about that morning as well as the medical report. What is important to note is he said he'd send it within two hours because I told him I was going to my doctor here at 9:00 am and his report would be useful. Well, I kept refreshing my email up until my doctor's appointment and got nothing. 

 

However, I didn't get the email until I got home, which was just after noon. But, the email was posted as 8:05 am est. And sent at 1:31 pm their time. But I can tell you it was not there at 8:05 am. Now, people have done this to me before,- backdating emails, but none of those people were doctors. I checked the message source and looked through it carefully. They sent it through Outlook and I know there is a function on Outlook where you can change the time or date. At the top it says 8:05 am. But, if you scroll down amongst the characters by the bottom it notes 12:05 pm, right on the dot. Now, my email is a university email. It's very good. I even tried to send myself an email after changing the time on my computer and turning off auto sync. But, it arrived at the real time and the message source showed my real time. But, it's not Outlook and there is no way to change the time on my email. Incidentally, I just now opened the email again and the university email server adjusted the time to 12:05 pm but it's still listed in between emails received between 7 and 10 am.

 

I guess we are taught to respect doctors, and I just can't believe they would do such a thing. But, I had complained to the nurse immediately after the video call, and before I went to my doctor here, that I felt that their doctor wasn't prepared. I also mentioned that he actually claimed it was my fault for not sending the documents even though I told him that she confirmed receiving them. He also claimed my mic wasn't working when everything indicated it was. (It worked on a video call two days before and worked when I double checked with a friend right afterward). He even had the IT tek come in and muck around with it for 15 minutes of the call. But, he couldn't fix it. So, the doctor called me on my cell, which was really annoying. I pointed out to the nurse, citing all of our previous correspondence, that I asked her repeatedly if she got all the documents and that she assured me she did. Basically, I did my part. Of course, if it was true that he didn't even look at my file beforehand and was unprepared, then I could ask for my money back. So, the purpose of backdating would be a) to make it look like he sent the medical report beforehand and didn't actually spend 4 or more hours rushing to get something done that he should have done earlier, and b) so I would not have it in time for my doctor's appointment. The latter, I have no idea why.

 

Anyway, apologies for the long essay, but it's important I don't deal with these people if they are dishonest. My question is: do you think they backdated the time by 4 hours?

 

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Edited by LisaPisa, 18 April 2021 - 09:59 AM.

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Hello. does this say anything that you don't already know ?

 

https://mxtoolbox.co...ailHeaders.aspx


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Hello. does this say anything that you don't already know ?

 

https://mxtoolbox.co...ailHeaders.aspx

Thanks! What part of the email do I paste in the analyser?


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This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....


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This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

 

This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

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I am sorry but I have no idea what the tool is really saying and do not think it's going to help you. I am searching for a better answer for you in how to exactly determine if the E -mail was in fact  backdated.


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This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

 

This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

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i have no idea what's going on. None of the numbers match unless it was delayed. But even if it was delayed why would it say received at 8:05 when I actually got it at 12:05? None of these numbers even fit the 7 hour time difference, so you can't blame that. It does say that it was sent at 3:15pm their time. Maybe it was delayed 5 or so hours.


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This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

 

This tool will make email headers human readable by parsing them according to RFC 822.  Email headers are present on every email you receive via the Internet and can provide valuable diagnostic information like hop delays, anti-spam results and more. If you need help getting copies of your email headers

 

see here too

https://mxtoolbox.co...t/EmailHeaders/

 

Not sure if any of this is going to be helpful, but it's all I have to go on....

Relay Information

 

i have no idea what's going on. None of the numbers match unless it was delayed. But even if it was delayed why would it say received at 8:05 when I actually got it at 12:05? None of these numbers even fit the 7 hour time difference, so you can't blame that. It does say that it was sent at 3:15pm their time. Maybe it was delayed 5 or so hours.


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Previously I'd have said not, because if mail is sent via an ISP or a web-based mail service, the date and time will usually be correct. However, if you are running a mail server, then you probably can backdate an email, perhaps by setting your PC's clock to an earlier date. Even then, an email will be forwarded by a number of other machines on its way to its destination, and these will add their own date and time.

 

I believe it is possible to insert fake Received: lines to try to hide when and where a message originated, but the real entries can't be faked, because they are not under the sender's control. If an email seems to have been backdated, check the "Received:" entries to see if it had a spurious start date or was delayed somewhere en route.


I found this above,
not sure how helpful it is..... but somewhat interesting ....

https://www.theguard...ailsbebackdated


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Previously I'd have said not, because if mail is sent via an ISP or a web-based mail service, the date and time will usually be correct. However, if you are running a mail server, then you probably can backdate an email, perhaps by setting your PC's clock to an earlier date. Even then, an email will be forwarded by a number of other machines on its way to its destination, and these will add their own date and time.

 

I believe it is possible to insert fake Received: lines to try to hide when and where a message originated, but the real entries can't be faked, because they are not under the sender's control. If an email seems to have been backdated, check the "Received:" entries to see if it had a spurious start date or was delayed somewhere en route.


I found this above,
not sure how helpful it is..... but somewhat interesting ....

https://www.theguard...ailsbebackdated

 

I was looking at this article! Since I received two other emails from her between 11am and 12pm my time and both were consistent with real times, unless there was a 5 and half hour delay (which is impossible since that would mean she would have to send it before I even talked to the doctor) then she did indeed backdate it. 


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