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When do you think will the world end?


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I still feel somehow that we shouldn't be basing our actions now on later reward, providence (or God if you like) has given one the chance today to do the right thing now and I think if I had given my wfe the wedding ring because my shirts need ironing, helped someone here because that gets me a trusted helper rank, saved someones life because it will get me on television, etc., I havel somehow betrayed that chance to do something beautiful. Those who look for reward betray their hearts then, so this is why I wrote "the action is the reward in itself". It is not what I will receive later but who I am now which concerns me.

Having written my point above, now I have got to write something to tie this post in with the thread, um,what was it again, oh yes, something about "when the world will end", um, haven't got a clue, perhaps it's when the child finds Santa's costume in the cupboard.

Edited by fleamailman, 09 September 2005 - 12:37 AM.

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First of all, I would like to commend all of you for thus far keeping this conversation respectful. I am hoping it can stay that way. We all know how easy it is for threads involving religion to scream to a halt, and end in people slinging mud at each other. So far, you all are doing a fantastic job of stating your viewpoints...and no one is getting offended, or starting any flames over another persons' beliefs. Consider this a friendly reminder to remember to keep it that way! :tazz:
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See i dont get that because(being educated in a technicaly protestant(new testament followin) school well its a protestant country so the padre came and did th sing along bit and a bashin on a friday mornin)) i remember reading the bible and it does specificaly say god will forgive all your sins and accept even sinners to heaven.

I personally dont like the idea that someone can be born of a sin and convicted of one that was supposed to be commited by someone thousands of years before they were even born. I once had a RE teacher that was a big protestant and actually threw people that had come to talk to us out of the school for saying that children will go to [bleep] if they dont accept jesus, it was the funniest thing we ever saw in school.

Of all the religions that folow the main root from the god thing most dont accept jesus in the same way as the christian religion does i always find this very strange, that so many people follow a religion willing to condem so many it goes against what i have always seen in religion of people following the one most advantageous to themselves(unless of course they were brought up a particular way which is becoming a very rare thing now even in schools for specific religions, at least here in britain and europe as a whole every year there are more and more rejecting religions).

I disagree fundamentaly with any religion that persecutes people for not beleiving in what they believe i find this as an afront to the moral code to which i try to live my life.(very old fashioned me believe in honour, decency, truth, discipline and the right to live free as we chose to do so without any form of persecution from others, combined with good old fashioned manners of course) why should people be persecuted for ignorance and not beleiving in something that well is confusing and contradictory, i analyse everything i read with a logical eye so to speak and alot of the things in the bible are so open to interpretation because there is always some contradiction and ammnedment in a later part.

Its one of the few books that can be discussed forever because it doesnt agree with itself, you have all the end of the world persecute the non beleivers bit at the start and you have the eternal love and forgiveness bit at the end they are complelely incompatible with each other, they reflect the ages in which they were written ( a thing to remeber the bible was written by hand for millenia if ever there was an original its nothing like the one we know) the old part was written by people who were or remebered being oppressed for there beliefs and the attitudes of this are reflected in the text itself, whereas the new part was written in an ages where people strove to creat the ideal soceity and is full of what people thought to be the hallmarks of that soceity truth and forgiveness. (this is the stage where padres look at you funny with the bugger this person has logic and comes up with the Faith has no logic or some kind of other excuse for the fact that they cant answer the question.)

So under your interpretation as i know it from the lovely people that got thrown out of RE, a man who commited the worst crimes upon the earth can upon his death bed at the end of his workd ask forgiveness and embrace jesus and will go to heaven, whereas someone who has lived there life with honour and justice and saved the lifes of many and helped rid the world of evil will upon his death go to [bleep] because he didnt beleive in jesus.

This makes no sense to me, well theres my athiest or humanist or whatever you call people like mes view on the matter, what about everybody else, i am interested to find out the way other people from other religions view the question.
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There are records of mass extinctions many times throughout Earth's history. We'd be foolish to think it won't happen again. As this topic asks, 'when' is the big question.

I think I'd rather not know. Given the choice of knowing that a huge asteroid was screaming toward us, with an exact collision date, or just looking up in the sky one day and seeing a bright flash, I think I'd choose the later. Can you imagine what the world would be like if we all knew it was due to end in a couple of years? :tazz:

The Drake equation attempts to identify the odds that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. Most of the equation deals with finding a suitable planet, and the odds of intelligent life developing, but the last variable is lifetime of intelligent life. Many scientists have a pessimistic view of intelligent life surviving long, and expect most will destroy itself.

It may well be the case that, as a result of the competitive nature of evolution, intelligent, technologically advanced civilisations are inherently unstable. If this is so, then L would be necessarily small. In the case of life on Earth, this value could be as little as 100 years - the time from Marconi's 1901 radio transmission to an end of the millenium nuclear holocaust.


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The chances of other life in the universe are fairly high the question is how much of it is intilligent as us or more so, we are quite unstable as we are essentially predators our brains have developed for the express purpose of allowing us to kill things more easily. If say a non violent herbivourous or perhaps a less predatory scavenging omnivore was to develop inteligence the chnces of them destroying themselves would be much less as ours are.
There is still a good chance we will kill ourselves with nuclear weapons more through accident that deliberatley so.

I wouldnt mind not knowing because we can fight what we can see, we are a resilients and highly inteligent species it is likely given enough warning we could prevent such an event as an asteroid we allready work hard at preventing disease our major threat at the moment(although this would be ironically less important if we didnt have such an artificially high global population) it sounds cruel but we do ourselves no favours by trying to support populations in areas where nature cannot maintain a population.

If the world should end it will be reborn stronger, that is the way of nature we might survive it and the strongest of us could found a new stronger more intelligent world free of the mistakes of our past, but its also possible for another species to become dominant, it has certainly came close to it in the past we are dominant through sheer luck various species only barely failed due to bad luck and nothing more. We could all die and the world taken over by ladybugs or sharks or perhaps birds, it would be interesting thing to see happen for shear curiosity perhaps some day we may no longer populate the earth and we will be able to see what happens without us.
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See i dont get that because(being educated in a technicaly protestant(new testament followin) school well its a protestant country so the padre came and did th sing along bit and a bashin on a friday mornin)) i remember reading the bible and it does specificaly say god will forgive all your sins and accept even sinners to heaven.

I personally dont like the idea that someone can be born of a sin and convicted of one that was supposed to be commited by someone thousands of years before they were even born. I once had a RE teacher that was a big protestant and actually threw people that had come to talk to us out of the school for saying that children will go to [bleep] if they dont accept jesus, it was the funniest thing we ever saw in school.

Of all the religions that folow the main root from the god thing most dont accept jesus in the same way as the christian religion does i always find this very strange, that so many people follow a religion willing to condem so many it goes against what i have always seen in religion of people following the one most advantageous to themselves(unless of course they were brought up a particular way which is becoming a very rare thing now even in schools for specific religions, at least here in britain and europe as a whole every year there are more and more rejecting religions).

I disagree fundamentaly with any religion that persecutes people for not beleiving in what they believe i find this as an afront to the moral code to which i try to live my life.(very old fashioned me believe in honour, decency, truth, discipline and the right to live free as we chose to do so without any form of persecution from others, combined with good old fashioned manners of course) why should people be persecuted for ignorance and not beleiving in something that well is confusing and contradictory, i analyse everything i read with a logical eye so to speak and alot of the things in the bible are so open to interpretation because there is always some contradiction and ammnedment in a later part.

Its one of the few books that can be discussed forever because it doesnt agree with itself, you have all the end of the world persecute the non beleivers bit at the start and you have the eternal love and forgiveness bit at the end they are complelely incompatible with each other, they reflect the ages in which they were written ( a thing to remeber the bible was written by hand for millenia if ever there was an original its nothing like the one we know) the old part was written by people who were or remebered being oppressed for there beliefs and the attitudes of this are reflected in the text itself, whereas the new part was written in an ages where people strove to creat the ideal soceity and is full of what people thought to be the hallmarks of that soceity truth and forgiveness.  (this is the stage where padres look at you funny with the bugger this person has logic and comes up with the Faith has no logic or some kind of other excuse for the fact that they cant answer the question.)

So under your interpretation as i know it from the lovely people that got thrown out of RE, a man who commited the worst crimes upon the earth can upon his death bed at the end of his workd ask forgiveness and embrace jesus and will go to heaven, whereas someone who has lived there life with honour and justice and saved the lifes of many and helped rid the world of evil will upon his death go to [bleep] because he didnt beleive in jesus.

This makes no sense to me, well theres my athiest or humanist or whatever you call people like mes view on the matter, what about everybody else,  i am interested to find out the way other people from other religions view the question.

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Please consider the fact that you weren't meant to intellectually understand God. You can't put God in a little box and make Him and all that He is conform to what you consider logical.

Romans 11:33 Oh, what a wonderful God we have! How great are his riches and wisdom and knowledge! How impossible it is for us to understand his decisions and his methods!

1 Corinthians 1:19 As the Scriptures say,"I will destroy human wisdomand discard their most brilliant ideas."

1 Corinthians 1:20 So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made them all look foolish and has shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense.

1 Corinthians 1:21 Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save all who believe.

1 Corinthians 1:22 God's way seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven to prove it is true. And it is foolish to the Greeks because they believe only what agrees with their own wisdom.

1 Corinthians 1:24 But to those called by God to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, Christ is the mighty power of God and the wonderful wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 1:30 God alone made it possible for you to be in Christ Jesus. For our benefit God made Christ to be wisdom itself. He is the one who made us acceptable to God. He made us pure and holy, and he gave himself to purchase our freedom.

1 Corinthians 2:7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the secret wisdom of God, which was hidden in former times, though he made it for our benefit before the world began.

1 Corinthians 2:13 When we tell you this, we do not use words of human wisdom. We speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit's words to explain spiritual truths.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say,"God catches those who think they are wisein their own cleverness."

Isaiah 64:8 And yet, LORD, you are our Father. We are the clay, and you are the potter. We are all formed by your hand.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely you have things turned around. He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you. You are only the jars he makes! Should the thing that was created say to the one who made it, "He didn't make us"? Does a jar ever say, "The potter who made me is stupid"?

These verses were taken from the NLT :tazz:
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I would appreciate it if we could get back on topic please. This post has totally turned into a religiuos argument and was meant as a friendly, non-offensive thread.

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I would appreciate it if we could get back on topic please. This post has totally turned into a religiuos argument and was meant as a friendly, non-offensive thread.

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We'll be gone before the world ends. It WILL end, in about 7 billion years, but we won't be here to witness it.

A asteroid will not be "the end of the world", it would be the end of man, but the world will still continue on. The earth is pretty resilliant, it'll do just fine (and probably better) without us.

The earth will be here until our sun becomes a red giant (again, in about 7 billion years) and then that will be all she wrote folks... earth will get swallowed by the sun and that will be that.
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Are you saying that the end of man will actually be because of a meteor? I'm pretty comfused right about now.

Thenotch, please PM me your email address if you are willing. I would like to discuss some matters with you.

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No, I am not saying that, it could be caused by a number of factors, a meteor being one of them. I just used it as an example of how MAN will become extinct but the earth will continue to spin, with or without us.

Eventually the earth will be gone, but we will have long since vanished.
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This thread has been closed at the request of the topic starter.

Thank you all for participating!

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