My computer won't start
Posted 28 October 2005 - 04:27 PM
Posted 28 October 2005 - 05:02 PM
When the safe mode menu appears, have you tried selecting 'last known good config'? If so, does the same happen? Can you boot up ok in safe mode?
Also, you said you couldn't boot from the Windows XP or bootable floppy. Can you tell me what happens why you try to boot from each of these?
It would also be helpful if you could give us your system specs i.e motherboard, cpu, hard drive etc
Posted 29 October 2005 - 01:30 AM
When I try the xp cd, it loads all of those initial files, and then freezes on a screen that says "starting windows" or something like that. I think its the screen right before it should ask me if I want to repair or set up windows xp. It freezes on that screen for hours until I turn it off.
I have an ASUS A7n8x-x with an Athlon 2600xp. Western Digital Caviar Hard Drive (120gb). 1gig ram.
Thanks for your inquiry. Another thing that might help is a suggestion as to how I can wipe the drive with out taking it out of the case (since I can't boot to anything that I can even type a command in).
Posted 29 October 2005 - 12:43 PM
1. Go into the bios & open the Hardware Monitor Menu page. Leave the system running with this page open for about 5 -10 minutes (too let it warm up) then make a note of the following readings :
Motherboard or system temperature
CPU Fan speed
PSU Fan speed
+3.3V, 5V & 12V voltages
Obviously if in those 5-10 minutes, you notice the cpu temp getting dangerously high, shut the system down immediately.
Let me know what those readings are.
2. Go into the bios
Go to the Exit menu & select 'Load setup defaults' & select YES.
If you have a USB keyboard, then go to the Advanced menu->Integrated peripherals->USB Legacy Keyboard support->Set this to Enabled
Next, go to the Advanced menu->Advanced Bios Features and check that the First Boot Device is set to Floppy. Change the Second Boot Device to CDROM, then change the Third Boot Device to HDD-0.
Go back to the Exit menu & save the changes
3. Disconnect any external devices you have except for the monitor, keyboard & mouse.
4. Insert the WinXP CDROM & attempt to boot from it again & see if it lets you perform a recovery installation.
Can you also tell me :
when you connected the second hard drive, did you connect it to the secondary IDE controller & if so, did you disconnect or move the CDROM to a different connector on the cable? (Assuming that the CDROM is on the secondary controller obviously).
Do you know whether your main hard drive is formatted using FAT32 or NTFS and do you have more than one partition on the drive?
Posted 30 October 2005 - 04:53 PM
CPU temperature 61 C
Motherboard or system temperature 21 C
CPU Fan speed 2163
PSU Fan speed n/a
Vcore voltage 1.66V
Just so you know, the cpu temp at startup is 39 C, which is obviously not right. I’ve always wondered about that. If I run a monitoring software it is always about 10 degrees cooler than what the bios says. I quit worrying about it after I added a fan and put silver compound between the chip and heatsink and nothing changed.
All the settings are as you specified and it does the same things as before.
When I connected that other hard drive I connected it to the slave connection on the primary ribbon, but I forgot to switch the jumper to slave or cs. It was still set to master. Do you think that messed things up?
I didn't touch the secondary cable, my hard drive is partitioned into two drives, and they're both NTFS.
Thank you for your time, Justen
Posted 30 October 2005 - 07:05 PM
The reason the cpu temp in the bios is higher than the temp reported by monitoring software in Windows, is because Windows is able to put the cpu into a low power state, whereas the bios can't. This doesn't mean the bios reading is inaccurate, it's simply the temperature without power managment. And 61C is too high for a bios cpu reading.
The fact that the PSU fan reading is not available probably just means that there is no fan sensor for the psu. However, just to be on the safe side, place your hand over the back of the PSU when the system is powered up, and make sure you can feel air flow there.
Did you attempt to boot from CD again after resetting the bios? If sso, what happened?
Attaching the second hard drive as a slave without configuring it as a slave, would obviously cause problems at the time but now the drives been removed, assuming everything is as it was beforehand, there shouldn't be a problem.
Posted 30 October 2005 - 07:18 PM
Don't you think that the cpu wouldn't be 39 C right on startup? Thats within 10 seconds of pushing the power button, and it doesn't seem to be increasing very fast when I get to tnat screen. It just seems inaccurate to me. The power supply fan works as does three other fans in my case. Plus I live in a cold climate. I put a lot of effort into the heat thing a while back and then gave up when I realized everything is working ok and I was out of cooling ideas.
Is there another way to boot to dos without making a dos boot disk from the format disk option in XP?
Posted 30 October 2005 - 08:26 PM
Sorry to butt in but I would just like to add something,
If the computer is off several hours the cpu temp on bootup would be about 5C or so higher then the room temp, the 5C acounts for the time it takes you to get to the bios screen that reads temp, so it should not be 39C unless your room is that hot.
This tells me the sensor on the mobo is reading high at idle about 18C
Now I will let you guy's and gal's continue but I don't think its a temp issue, maybe ram
Posted 31 October 2005 - 01:08 AM
Edited by MikeFromNY, 31 October 2005 - 01:09 AM.
Posted 31 October 2005 - 10:14 AM
But here's the scoop. It was one of my sticks of ram. It was some cheap stuff that I got from Mwave. Tested it on another computer and same thing.
Thanks for all of your suggestions everybody!
Posted 31 October 2005 - 01:19 PM
Posted 31 October 2005 - 01:34 PM
The fan on the processor isn't controllable as far as I know. There's no switch on it nor can I find one in the bios.
I'm willing to assume that the mobo is not calibrated though. Unless anybody has any other ideas. I'm always willing to try new things.
Thanks for your concern, Justen
Posted 31 October 2005 - 07:43 PM
Here is a handy link to convert, most computer geeks use celcius when talking computer temps so keep the link it comes in handy.
I to think its a calibration issue with the sensor on the board you can check this by using a digital thermometer and placing its probe at the base of the HS to get a more accurate reading on what the cpu temp is.
You could also use this unscientific but common sense approach, after the computer has been at idle for 15 minutes place your finger at the base of the HS if it comfortably warm then your temps are most likely in the low 40'sC.
If its running in the mid 60'sC then you would have to pull your finger away after 1 second because it would hurt.
Posted 01 November 2005 - 06:03 PM
Slightly off-topic, but a customer brought in a win 98 machine earlier that i can't get to boot at all, from h/d, floppy or cdrom. machine just sits there flashing the curser at me. any ideas?
Posted 02 November 2005 - 09:11 AM
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