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Comrade General

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What are your thoughts about the riots in France and some other parts of Europe? My mom and me were talking about this, and I said, "This isn't the way they should respond! They should respond more civilized!"

Then, my mom made a good point, she said "How else would they get the governments attention? Write a letter?! The government would never read a letter!"

And I thought about it, and she's right. I say they have a right to riot, not very many people stood up for them except themselves and not many cared. But 12 days?(I think) Come on, maybe 1-5 days, but 12? 1-5 or even 1 would of got the French government's attention and action might of been taken so they could work something out, but now its getting out of hand. I say brutal force should be taken now.

http://www.time.com/...1114/story.html


The young men in their hooded sweatshirts go by rapper tags — Spion, El Pach, Benou and K-Soc — and like thousands of others, they were out cruising the mean streets of Paris' banlieues, the grimy, soulless suburban apartment blocks that ring France's big cities. Behind them, near the city hall of Bobigny, a rough town on the northeastern outskirts of the capital, a circle of fire marked where a trash container had been set alight to provoke a police patrol. Earlier in the evening, some 40 hooded youths rampaged through a local shopping center, breaking windows and harassing employees. "People mix it up with the police every day around here," says Spion, a 19-year-old of Moroccan origin. "Usually it's the police who start it," adds his friend, Peter, whose parents are Haitians. "Yeah, but this is different," says Benou, whose parents came from Algeria. "This is May 1968 — but in the banlieues.
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The country of France is allowing them the right to enter their country to escape worse living conditions and poverty. While I realize that they still live in a bad situation, rioting is NOT a good way to go about fixing the problem, because violence is never a good answer to anything. It will only make things worse, as police and armed forces will have to crack down hard on these people to keep them from getting out of control. I'm not so sure Brutal force is the answer, but force indeed might need to be used to keep things from getting out of hand.

Sadly, if people wrote letters to the government, they would be ignored, and only brute violence seems to get the attention of people...but it still clearly isn't the solution to the problem. The French Government could provide better living conditions for immigrants, and could try to make sure that they treated them as fairly as they treated regular citizens born in France. If the government made a promise to treat the immigrants better, then maybe that would calm them down and would avoid the need to use brute force.

That's my opinion

Edited by DeathOutdone, 09 November 2005 - 09:02 PM.

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The French Government could provide better living conditions for immigrants, and could try to make sure that they treated them as fairly as they treated regular citizens born in France. If the government made a promise to treat the immigrants better, then maybe that would calm them down and would avoid the need to use brute force.


You would think France would of done this on day 5 of the riots or earlier...
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They are doing that for them right's???
I think that is out of place!!! but they are too many so :tazz:

You would think France would of done this on day 5 of the riots or earlier...

I don't think so but let's see what's gonna happen!

~Dr. Gutstein~
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most of the current governments came from violent civil unrest such as this (the american revolution started from a nation wide riot).....when done properly these kinds of actions can be bennificial in the long run...unfortunately....there has never been an appropriate instance of civil unrest for a long time....most people just take these actions (usually started by someone with the right cause and the right motives) as an excuse to loot and cause mayhem....which is why nothing get's done....the riots in L.A. way back when didn't solve anything...because it started out as a civil protest (wasn't very violent at first) then just turned into a giant "let's see what we can steal and break" party
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The supposed 'reason' for these riots is in response to two boys who died in an electrical substation, whilst being chased by police. Now I don't know all the details, but it appears these boys committed a crime, attempted to run and evade police and then trespassed into a dangerous area which was clearly marked as dangerous. How is this the fault of the police or the goverment? Somebody educate/correct me if I'm wrong.

I feel the real 'reasons' of the rioting are more to do with high levels of unemployment in France, a stumbling economy and decades of racial undercurrents which have been simmering away.

I do not condone these riots in any way, shape or form and I agree with Dsenette that certain individuals turn them into an opportunity to cause trouble, burn cars and abuse the police.

Edited by infaddict, 10 November 2005 - 08:23 AM.

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In France they dont have the same "racial equality" laws as we do in other nations in the EU. Some of them are actually pretty reasonable(like the ones here that say you must employ x amount of people from ethnic minorities even if they are unsuited for the job).

They should ideally in france do it the way they do in Germany, if an immigrant is out of work they send them home. And i agree with that, why should an immigrant have the same rights as a person born of families that have for generations contirbuted to the well being of a nation therefore earning the right for their proginey to live and be educated in that nation. If an immigrant can prove to be a useful member of a society then they should be given citezienship of that country after a certain time with evidence of their contribution and intention to remain, but otherwise if they are non contributors should be returned to their own country, and not allowed to stay living on state benefit because they get enough money on the dole and say they are under threat of persecution if they go home(arent we all even in our own countries).

Im not racist or against immigrants, i actually think immigration is a good idea and neccesary, but it has to be a controlled thing. If someone comes to your borders with no skills to contribute and no way of gaining employment its not fair to let them in where they wont be welcome and cause trouble and take away respources from those who rightfully deserve them. Whereas someone with valuable skills and can be readily employed and contribute to soceity should be a welcome member of any nation.

The problem in france is that these people are dissalussioned, they came to a prosperous modern nation expecting to earn their fortune and live a more comfortable life. Instead they cant get work because there isnt enough jobs to go round, the state is not going to help them(and neither it should), and they are living in the same conditions or worse that they left behind.

The grass isnt always greener on the other side.
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