[ecnalav]

How will i limit myself, what do i need to add to my computer, every so often i may need a CPU & Gfx card update, which i can do! it has lots of CPU to use, even dual. It has the latest PCI-E adaptation for GFX. And can take up to 2gb of ram. Which is easily enough to handle any game.

I really cant see the problem.

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Actually, there is a difference:

My ATX Board:
2 PCI Express x16
1 PCI Express x1
3 PCI
1 PCI Express x4

Expandability!

Shuttle Board:
1 x PCI-Express (PCI-E, 16X)
1 x 32 Bit PCI (v2.2)

Expansion nightmare!

Edited by fsb1284, 07 December 2005 - 01:13 PM.

[fsb1284]

Actually, there is a difference:

My ATX Board:
2 PCI Express x16
1 PCI Express x1
3 PCI
1 PCI Express x4

Expandability!

Shuttle Board:
1 x PCI-Express (PCI-E, 16X)
1 x 32 Bit PCI (v2.2)

Expansion nightmare!

Edited by fsb1284, 07 December 2005 - 01:13 PM.

[warriorscot]

Dude, get yor small system we are here to help ypu do what you want.

There is nothing wrong with the barebones systems they are very popular these days, and yes heat can be a problem but its largely fixed in most new kits with heat pipe technology and AMD systems are very cool in the first place, they dont have limited expandibilty for most people they have na adeqaute amount, 90% of people dont have more than one or two PCI cards and thats all you get on a barebones so it no biggy. You wont be having any expansion problems, alot of the barebones kits will take a full ATX PSU but there are lots of great highquality ones for barebones kits.

If you want to play games on it thats fine it will work great, thats what they are designed to be able to do. In barebones kits you do have an increased chance of heat problems but like i said they have their own cooling solution that is very good and as long as you keep the case inside tidy and free from obstructions thats fine.

Seems to me a good deal that suits your PC needs.

[warriorscot]

Shuttles come with varying number of ports, some have one PCI some have one PCI-E and two PCI, some have one and one. all depends.

[fsb1284]

2GB of RAM is not going to be enough in the near future. This is OLD technology. It may have PCIexpress, but everything else is limited. Consider buying this case if you want something fancy-selling your old system ought to pay for it and a PSU for it:

Fancy Antec Case

[ecnalav]

yeah thats what i wonna do, why do i need loads of PCI slots and things? I dont need 4 GFX cards, and everything, most of the on board stuff will be fine for me. But the gaming ( GFX ) and CPU & RAM i can update to my needs.

But... the dredded but... Check out my cart ...

[warriorscot]

What the.. that is the most expensive high end computer case on the market. And you dont need 64 bit windows by the way at all, absolutley no need for it. 2bg is also a gig more than what is considered a fair bit now and 2 gig we generally consider "future proof also without the availability of 2gb single chips, 2gb is the practical best performance limit.

[warriorscot]

I would go have a look on overclockers they used to specialise in barebones they have a huge selection, also the PSU might not fit in the system.

And you dont need an x1800 that things top of the line just out card its not expensive its a great deal but if you cant afford it a x800GT all in wonder would do you for a year or so maybe more, and it will still be a huge imporvement on your current system.

[ecnalav]

Ok thanks alot. U really appreciate it. If u could put me a good system together it would be great. Ill wait here for the results.

[fsb1284]

That PSU will NOT work. You'll have a hard time upgrading the power supply in the Shuttle. Everything is so integrated in those mini things that upgradeability is a headache.

With your monitor, my suggested system tops out at 700p. And it's considerably better!

[ecnalav]

What does your system consist off ?

700 is still like 300 over my budget. i mean id ont midn going that much over budet if im gettin a [bleep]-hot computer. But if its a 1 year it'll be good for then its not on. Plus i really like the compact sleek design of the barebones, that thing looks like a fridge!

[warriorscot]

http://www.ebuyer.co...oduct_uid=90528
I like this hang on while i add in some mor parts

Edited by warriorscot, 07 December 2005 - 01:40 PM.

[fsb1284]

AMD (Venice) Athlon 64Bit 3000+ Socket 939pin 512k L2cache 90nm Retail Boxed Processor 088105 30 £82.27

Sapphire X1800XL 256mb 256bit GDDR3 PCI-E Dual DVI/VIVO 097761 *7 days £202.25

Antec TruePower II 480W PSU - With Blue LED 090618 6 £55.33

ASUS A8N-SLI Premium skt939 nForce4 Gigabit Ethernet Firewire 8channel audio 098587 57 £99.16

Gigabyte (GH-PCU31-VH) 3D Cooler-Ultra 090448 8 £27.30

Samsung SM913N 19" TFT 8ms 700:1 (1280x1024) Monitor - Silver & Black (3 Years On Site Warranty) 083914 342 £158.99

£745.03

And then you could choose a new case or live with the one you have. I know the flashiness of these mini-things is attracting you, but you're paying for it! Look at this- it's clearly better in terms of hardware, but it's cheaper.

If you are willing to pay more for less hardware performance, just so your desk can look nice, be my guest. But I would never do it

[warriorscot]

http://www.ebuyer.co...on=c2hvd2NhcnQ=

You havent added 17.5% VAT to some of that above mate besides he has asked for barebones.

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Edited by warriorscot, 07 December 2005 - 01:53 PM.

[warriorscot]

And you sacrifice ZERO performance for a barebones kit, i dont know where you are getting your info mate.

I stuck the x800GT in there to save cash, but if you want something better the 6800GS is what i would reccomend very good very fast card.

sorry i didnt save that as a jpeg.

Edited by warriorscot, 07 December 2005 - 01:51 PM.