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H.T Baldwin

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UPDATE: Based on your responses, I compiled the highlights into a Word file, posted elsewhere,
and sent it off to a family friend who builds computers. For a condensed review, here is the link:
http://videoguys.for...ic.php?t=111310
After studying my book of compiled thought, he responded. The both of his emails are below:


Yesterday

....Sorry to be taking so long on your quote. I'm still working on bringing the price down. I keep hovering around $2,000.00 for Intel 3.0 gHz dual core processor with 3 x 300g hard drives in a raid configuration and all the other specs. I can go cheaper with AMD but they all seemed to recommend Intel....

Today

It includes a Phillips 19" monitor with DVI-D input, component input and speakers. Based on a Pentium D dual core 3.0 gig processor and 2GB of Corsair Twin2X248-5400C4 (1GB X 2) matched pair RAM. An ASUS or ABIT PCI-E motherboard (I haven't decided yet, they're both kick [bleep] overclockers) based on the INTEL 955X Chipset with full surround sound SATA ATA300, LAN, 1394, USB2.0...etc all onboard. ANTEC case with 450 W power supply. A PIONEER burner. Logitech 300X cordless keyboard and mouse. Two (2) Maxtor 300 GB 7200RPM hard drives. ATI X800GT video card.


I figure he kept the price at around $2000 like I asked. Let me know what you think of the specs.

Thanks for all the help leading up to this point.

Regards,
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Heres my 0.02 cents, I dont know much about video editing and stuff like that but I do know about gaming. Which like video editing requires A LOT of memory and video computing power. For a motherboard I recommend you get this http://www.tigerdire...0&sku=A458-1114 .
This thing is SWEET! It supports 2 video cards. Up to 4GB of ram. As for the maxtor hardrives I heard nothing but bad things about em. Go with seagate, preferably 10000 rpm if not higher and at least 16mb cache. I picked up a seagate 400GB HD, 7200 rpm, 16mb cache for $212 out the door from best buy. And what a difference changing the HD alone made. As for a monitor I'd say go with a Dell p992 or m992 (forgot the actual model #), its a CRT but it has more DPI than most monitors and its fairly reasonable in price.
But Id say DEFINITLY get that motherboard its the best one out right now.
-Pete.
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Thanks for the response Pete. As you say you are not a video editor, so let me direct this response
to guys like WarriorScott and or jrm20: what about the specs Jim (the computer builder)
has in mind? He read through all of your posts and I assume is trying to budget everything out accordingly
and put together a system that heeds all of your suggestions/knowledge. How has he done?

No need for a complete item by item counter with Pete's post, but take his ideas in mind with your responses.
In my link, warriorscott is 'first poster' and jrm20 'second poster.'

I am going to forward this topic link to Jim, so he can get involved. Looking forward to more posts.

Regards,
H.T
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Well Intel certainly have an advantage with video editing but on the X2s from AMD the gap isnt all that much and the X2s as a cpu is much better and cheaper you could go X2 and still be very happy. And with AMD you can get an nf4 mobo and nf4 chipset is probably the best chipset thats been released for a long time. I would go ABIT or possibly DFI on the mobo, ASUS im off as a company lately after a spate of bad products coming through our doors here. DFI ultimate overclocking boards.

Else all seems good.
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Yeah, the X2 breaks the long known Intel supremacy. Also, you do not need SLI. If i got a card, now it would be an X1900XTX. I would recommend at leas 2GB of RAM and a ton of HDD space though. Also DFI I think would be ethe best mobo choice.
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Well the entire athlon range was always better than the p4 in 90% of cases. Video editing doesnt require a hugely powerful 3d gfx card, if you were doing CGI video it would but most video editors wont do that kind of stuff themseleves, at least not small scale editors.
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Jim replied:

Lots of good info and I agree with what they are saying. I'm partial to ABIT mobos and AMD processors.

One question I didn't see answered and I still have is: do you really need to have a RAID configuration? You can save a lot of money on hard drive space without it and I don't think it's necessary for your editing projects?

I'll send you an AMD/ABIT quote without RAID. That should really bring the cost down. I saw a recommendation for the ABIT Fatal1ty AA8XE Intel Socket 775 ATX Motherboard. I think they have a similar MB for the AMD X2 processor based on the NF4 chipset...lots of cooling capacity for overclocking and gaming.


He mentions 'gaming' in his reply. I need to make sure that the pieces and parts are aimed at video editing.
I will not be gaming, only using the CPU for browsing and video work.
I suppose there is a bit of overlap between the two, but I am looking for the best CPU for video editing for under $2000.

In regards to the Raid configuration, based on two poster's responses , I will leave purchasing that off for the time being:

One Poster:

You can get round the Raid array by not using one, its really laziness as performance is only marginally improved and the risks are much greater, two drives run separately and safely fine. I never really see the point in externals really, most new systems have ample internal space and most people have the external drive sitting on their desk all the time.

Another Poster:

I would just get all internal harddrives without any raid. You know you can make copies yourself from one harddrive to the next and is easy. You can manually copy and paste the movie or file to another harddrive for a backup or just drag it over to the other harddrive. Just get big harddrives like you picked out and you will be fine.

Regards.
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If you were going to use RAID i would only consider RAID 1(mirrored) it gives speed an security at the cost of an HD worth of space. Otherwise wouldnt bother, i was poster one therem it is lazyness alot of the time for lots or the whole kool factor of hey look ive got RAID.

Video editing and gaming use alot of the same specs, you really arent going to play anygames at all. Beastin system like that i would be playing some games every know and again. But im a gameaholic nothing beats blowing the brains from something to releive stress. And gaming and video editing pcs yes its aimed for video but it will also be an excellent gamer just because the parts are non task specific(you dont get a Vid editing specific CPU or RAM or mobo and gamers are the biggest users for high end hardware like that), and alot of people use games to capture video these days as well.
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The Intel dual core processor is perfect for what you are wanting to do.

The amd dual core will do anything also. Up to you on the final decision.
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Yeah, intels more suited to the pure video editor but i personally dont feel the slight difference is worth the big price jump, and thats assuming your using software thats good and designed to make use of the slightly better threading in a P4, some of the cheaper vid editing software doesnt use hyperthreading so its not a factor.
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Jim just sent me the specs - :tazz:
To the guys who have been helping me, what say you to this computer system? I've learned a lot thus far, but man, it still reads like a foreign language to me.... That being said, I think he studied up well and put together a winner, and under budget!!
(I will go for the $1850 system - that additional $200 - $300 for those upgraded video cards, well, I deem unnecessary for my needs).

Let me know if anything is way off or needs a slight modification. Here we go:


VIDEO EDIT QUOTE SPECIFICATIONS

1. ABIT Motherboard AN8 32X nVIDIA nFORCE4 SLI X16 CHIPSET SERIAL ATA300 ATX FORM FACTOR 2xPCI-E(X16)/2xPCI-E(X1)/2xPCI/4xDDR W/SATA RAID,LAN(Gb),1394,USB 2.0 & AUDIO.
1. Description:
1. NVIDIA® NF4 SLI X16 Based K8 939 ATX Mainboard, 2GHz HT, Dual DDR 400, NV SATA RAID, NV GbE w/ Firewall, 7.1 CH Audio, NVIDIA SLI Tech., ABIT Silent OTES, ABIT µGuru Tech.
2. CPU
1. Supports Socket 939 Athlon64/ 64FX/ 64X2 Processor with 2GHz system bus using Hyper Transport™ Technology
2. Supports AMD CPU Cool 'n' Quiet Technology
3. Chipset
1. NVIDIA® NF4 SLI X16 / NF4 SLI Chipset
4. Memory
1. Four 184-pin DIMM sockets
2. Supports Dual channel DDR 400 ECC/non-ECC un-buffered memory
3. Supports maximum memory capacity up to 8GB
5. NVIDIA SLI Technology
1. Two PCI-Express X16 slots support NVIDIA Scalable Link Interface
2. Two full-bandwidth 16-lane PCI Express
6. NV SATA 3Gb/s RAID
1. Supports 4 ports SATA 3Gb/s RAID 0/1/0+1/5
2. Supports SATA AHCI, providing native command queuing and native hot plug
7. 2nd SATA RAID
1. Serial ATA 3Gbps by Sil 3132 PCIE controller
2. Supports SATA RAID 0/1 NCQ
8. Audio
1. On board 7.1 CH Audio CODEC (ALC850)
2. Supports auto jack sensing and optical S/PDIF In/ Out
9. NV GbE
1. NVIDIA® Gigabit Ethernet with NV Firewall Active Armor
10. IEEE1394
1. Supports IEEE1394a
11. Internal I/O Connectors
1. 2 x PCI Express x16 (two full-bandwidth 16-lane PCI Express)
2. 2 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots
3. 1 x Floppy port supports up to 2.88MB
4. 6 x SATA connectors
5. 2 x Ultra DMA 133/100/66/33 connectors
6. 3 x USB 2.0 headers, 1 x IEEE 1394 header
12. Back Panel I/O
1. 1 x PS/2 Keyboard, 1 x PS/2 Mouse
2. 4 x USB ports, 1 x RJ-45 LAN port, 1 x IEEE 1394
3. 1 x S/P DIF In, 1 x S/P DIF Out
13. Form Factor
1. ATX form factor 305 x 245mm
14. ABIT Engineered
1. Silent OTES for PWM, N/B & S/B Heat Dispatching

2. AMD ATHLON 64 X2 3800+ (ADA3800BVBOX) DUAL CORE W/512KB X 2 CACHE 90NM (MANCHESTER) 64-BIT SOCKET 939 RETAIL BOXED W/COOLING FAN (3 YEARS WARRANTY).
1. The AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core processor puts the power of dual-core technology on the desktop. Dual-core processors contain two processing cores, residing on one chip, that perform calculations on two streams of data, thereby increasing efficiency and speed while running multiple programs and the new generation of multi-threaded software.
1. Model Number: 3800+
2. Frequency: 2.0 GHz
3. L2 Cache: 512KB + 512KB
4. AMD64 Technology: Yes
5. Simultaneous: 32- & 64-bit computing Yes
6. HyperTransport Technology: Yes, one 16x16 link @ 2000 MHz
7. HyperTransport Technology I/O Bandwidth: 8 GB/s
8. Integrated DDR Memory Controller: Yes
9. Memory Controller Width: 128-bit (939-pin)
10. Type of Memory Supported: PC3200, PC2700, PC2100 and PC1600 DRunbuffered memory
11. Memory Bandwidth: 6.4 GB/s
12. Total Processor-to-system Bandwidth (HyperTransport plus memory bandwidth): 14.4 GB/s (939-pin)
13. Process Technology: 90 nanometer, SOI (silicon-on-insulator) Technology
14. Packaging: 939-pin organic micro PGA
15. Thermal Design Power: 110W
16. Die Size: 147 to 199mm 2
17. Number of Transistors: 154 to 233.2 million (depending on cache size)

3. CORSAIR TWINX2048-3200 2GB KIT (1GB x 2) MATCHED PAIR 400MHZ 3-3-3-8 184-PIN DDR DIMM W/HEAT SPREADER
1. TwinX2048-3200 consists of a matched pair of CMX1024-3200 memory modules. This memory kit was developed specifically for graphics applications that require large memory arrays. It offers an unprecedented combination of high speed and high density. TWINX memory kits are designed to provide the ultimate in performance and stability in dual channel boards. These parts have been verified to operate at DDR400 (200 MHz at 3-4-4-8) in a dual-channel motherboard.

4. ANTEC Sonata II case - standard computer style case (or Overture II media entertainment center style case) with 450 Watt SmartPower power supply.

5. Pioneer DVR-110D 16X DVD+/-RW burner drive.

6. Mitsumi 1.44 floppy drive (with card readers built in + $5.00).

7. SEAGATE 400GB ST3400832AS SATA300 8MB 7200RPM hard drive.

8. LOGITECH cordless desktop LX300 wireless keyboard & mouse set.

9. SAMSUNG 19" 940B .29 1280X1024 700:1 8MS (Black)
1. Panel Type: a-silicon TFT-LCD
2. Viewable Size: 19.0"
3. Pixel Pitch: 0.294mm
4. Brightness: 300 cd/m2
5. Contrast Ratio: 700:1
6. Response Time: 8 ms
7. Viewing Angle: 160°/160°
8. Native Resolution: 1280 x 1024
9. Aspect Ratio: 5:4
10. Maximum Color: 16.2M
11. Interface: Analog/Digital
12. Input Video Signal: Analog RGB, DVI Digital Link
13. Sync Type: Separate H/V, Composite H/V, SOG
14. Input Connectors: 15-Pin D-Sub, DVI-D
15. Power Consumption: 38 watts (max), <1 watt (DPMS mode)
16. VESA Wall Mount Compatibility: 75mm
17. Emission Standard: TCO ’99
18. Cabinet Color (front/back): Black/Black
19. Dimensions (W x H x D): 16.0" x 16.6" x 8.5" (with stand)
20. Special Features: MagicTune with asset management, MagicBright II, MagicColor, MagicZone, Built-In Power Supply, Safe Mode (downscaling to UXGA)
21. Compatibility: PC, Macintosh, Sun Microsystems

10. Windows XP Home Loaded

11. Windows Office 2003 Loaded

12. Editing Software included with video card.

13. System with ATI RADEON X800GT 256MB PCI EXPRESS DDR3 DUAL DVI HDTV #X800GT256MB R480 Core Technology OEM video card: $1,850.00

14. System with ATI ALL-IN-WONDER X800 XL: has TV tuner, record and remote. Check it out:

http://www.ati.com/p...00xl/index.html $2050.00

15. System with ATI ALL-IN-WONDER X1800 XL: has TV tuner, record and remote. Check it out:

http://www.ati.com/p...00xl/index.html $2150.00
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The extra money in your budget, you might want to upgrade the CPU to the 4400+ if you can, its got a bigger cache and is obviously faster on the cores. The monitor is good ive got the model without the DVI.

But it looks good you dont really need the other gfx cards as they are alot more(you know ATI make the X800GT in all in wonder and all in wonder would make video transfer and recording easier).
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Would say to upgrade the CPU as stated and you will NEED to get some more power if you want to stay safe- look for atleast a 500W ( the Antec 500W Smartpower is very nice)
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