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Three questions on philosophy


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Oblomov

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Before you can indulge in Philosophy, an understanding of the subject you which to philosophise on.

The utterance of a child whilst novel does not relate to life experience and the ability to assimilate and understand a principle and its relationship to life or a set of circumstances requires a level of intelligence.

The question which comes first thoughts or philosophy, without an understanding, with consideration and the ability to comprehend both reality and intention, philosophy is non-existent.

Quoting dictionary definition means you can read but does not indicate an ability to draw logical conclusions of the written word. And the ability to philosophise.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one small step.
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Not at all, no sniping in my mind.
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Just my two cents. :)

1. What is philosophy?

Philosophy is the process of studying nature and deriving a pattern of how it works. It involves close observation and pondering about the people and things around you, and then coming to a conclusive statement that explains the world you live in.

2. Who is a philosopher?

Anyone can be a philosopher, but at different degrees. Anyone who has an interest in people and nature and seek the meaning of life are philosophers.

3. What is the relevancy of philosophy for us today?

It actually helps us to understand why the world works in a certain way, and find meanings in life. I believe that the study of philosophy is actually a way to understand the the Word of God. :)

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Edited by Ltangelic, 30 October 2008 - 08:23 AM.

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Just my two cents.


Two cents read with 100% interest - You now have four cents. (pun intended here).
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Quoting dictionary definition means you can read but does not indicate an ability to draw logical conclusions of the written word.


I didn't just quote a dictionary. I followed through with a logical argument and a conclusion. And, by the way, how exactly can one read without the "ability to draw logical conclusions of the written word"? Doesn't the ability to read in and of itself require an ability to draw logical conclusions about the written word in front of a person? Else, how precisely would one "receive or take in the sense of (... letters or symbols)" which comprise the material read? Sorry, but the fact that I can read in-and-of-itself indicates an ability to draw logical conclusions. And, while we're rattling on about logic, well, just suffice it to say i won't even go into what it would take to prove that "quoting dictionary definition means you can read" just ain't true. There are ways I could quote the dictionary, and heck, even post here, without having an ability to read whatsoever.

The journey of a thousand miles begins with one small step.


I started with one small step, breaking down the meaning of the word philosophy, as well as the meaning of the words that compose the definition of philosophy. We can of course break it down even smaller. Philosophy = philo + sophy = love + wisdom. Merriam-Webster: wisdom - 2: a wise attitude, belief, or course of action. Who among us doesn't, in some way, love a "wise attitude, belief, or course of action"?

The utterance of a child whilst novel does not relate to life experience


Then what exactly does the "utterance of a child" relate to? Does the child not have a life experience? Is that life experience somehow utterly detached from life experience in the broader world of which it is a part? Explain, please, just how a child's utterance fails to relate to life experience, whether broadly (in the world at large) or specifically to that child. Personally, I've heard even small children utter some incredibly profound statements that demonstrate an substantial grasp of the complexities of the world around them. Heck, even non-novel utterances of a child relate to life experience. Utterance: "Mommie, may I have some milk, please?" Life experience (specific to this child): Mommy is the gatekeeper to milk. If I ask mommy, she might give me some milk. If I ask mommy nicely, I have an even better chance that she might give me some milk. Life experience (in the world at large): People are gatekeepers to resources. If I ask for a resource I want, a gatekeeper might give it to me. If I ask nice for a resource, a gatekeeper may be even more likely to give it to me. The child itself may not realize that this particular skill will one day come in handy in the world at large, but that has nothing to do with whether that skill relates to life experience in the world at large. Is is really even possible for a child to have an utterance that does not relate to life experience? Even an infant who has no formal language?

the ability to assimilate and understand a principle and its relationship to life or a set of circumstances requires a level of intelligence.


Even an embecile has a level of intelligence. Not a very high level, but a level.

Even an embecile can understand some principle and relate it to some portion of life and some circumstance somewhere. May not have the same level of understanding or ability to relate as most of us, but some ability is there.

As I said before, I agree with you where a more formal definition of the word philosophy, from the standpoint of "higher education", is involved. But to dispute the less formal definition, it would seem, is to deny a large portion of the world one actually lives in. To insist on on permanently having one definition rule one over the other would seem, to me at least, to favor book-learning at every expense over good-old-common-horse-sense, which, in-and-of-itself should by no means permanently rule over book-learning. Me thinks you need the two to balance each other off.
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Hi, I'm a philosophy student myself so I thought it was only right that I posted :)

1. What is philosophy?
Philosophy is the love of wisdom, it's from the Greek philosophos (I think?). The first part, the philos means from "love of" and it's where we get modern day words like paedophillia. The last bit, the sophos, means "wisdom". In Athenian society, wise men were called "sophists", but some people made a distinction by adding philo- .


2. Who is a philosopher?

“Then tell me this – when we say someone has a passion for something or other, don’t we mean that he wants everything of that particular kind, and not some things only?”

“Yes”

“And so a philosopher’s passion is for wisdom of every kind without distinction?”

“True.”

“Then we shan’t regard anyone as a lover of knowledge or wisdom who is fussy about what he studies, especially if he is young and has not yet the judgement to know what is good for him and what is not, just as we don’t say that anyone who is fussy about his food has a good appetite or passion for eating, but call him a poor eater and not a food-lover.”

“And we shall be quite right.”

“But the man who is ready to taste every branch of learning, is glad to learn and never satisfied – he’s the man who deserves to be called a philosopher, isn’t he?”

“That description covers a lot of peculiar people” was Glaucon’s reply to this. “For those who love looking and listening enjoy learning about things, and so fall under your description; but they’re a peculiar lot to class as philosophers, because nothing would induce them to spend time on any kind of argument. They run around the city and country Dionysia, never missing a festival, as if they were under contract to listen to every performance. Are we to call all those who share such tastes, or are devotees of the minor arts, philosophers?”

“Certainly not, though there is some resemblance.”

“Then who are the true philosophers?” he asked.

“Those who love to see the truth.”


3. What is the relevancy of philosophy for us today?
The core issues in philosophy haven't changed much; the nature of knowledge, the thinking self, God, ethical theory... all were discussed centuries, even millennia, ago and they are still being discussed today. The quote from Plato above is a good example, in philosophy we are still reading the same material that students thousands of years would have used.

Potential employers or universities respect philosophy students for their critical thinking skills. Plato's 'Republic' has a section on the value of the philosopher to society, but I thought that two quotes would be overkill :)

Hope this helps. In my signature you'll find a link to my philosophy class' website if you're interested. :)

[EDIT] Forgot to add my details.
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Edited by o2mcgovem, 02 November 2008 - 12:42 PM.

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