[sue.words]

I am trying to create a system image of my nearly new (about 6 weeks old) Samsung NC110, which is running Windows 7 Starter. I have connected a Samsung portable DVD writer SE-208 via the two USB ports with a DVD+RW in it and the back-up begins but after a few seconds I get this message:

"The backup failed.
There is not enough disk space to create the volume shadow copy on the storage location. Make sure that, for all volumes to be backup up [sic], the minimum required disk space for shadow copy creation is available. This applies to both the backup storage destination and volumes included in the backup. Minimum requirement: For volumes less than 500 megabytes, the minimum is 50 megabytes of free space. For volumes more than 500 megabytes, the minimum is 320 megabytes of free space. Recommended at least 1 gigabyte of free disk space on each volume if volume size is more than 1 gigabyte. (0x80780119)"

I realize that the DVD in the DVD writer is only 4.7GB but I expected to be instructed to replace it with further empty disks during the back-up procedure as this is what happened years ago when I created a similar kind of thing with floppy disks.

I don't really understand this message. When I Googled it there were lots of hits, though other people didn't seem to be in quite the same position as I am in just trying to create a system image, and all the answers looked very complicated and involved downloading extra bits of software. What on earth did Microsoft imagine someone's set-up to be if mine causes this error message?

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Sue
Part of your problem is that you are using the wrong type of DVD's.
You need to use either DVD-R, or DVD+R, not RW (re-writable) DVD's.
Hope this helps.
Gary

[gb2064]

Sue
Part of your problem is that you are using the wrong type of DVD's.
You need to use either DVD-R, or DVD+R, not RW (re-writable) DVD's.
Hope this helps.
Gary

[happyrock]

the type of dvd isn't the problem...
try doing a system image on a external usb hard drive...

[gb2064]

Sue
This link may be of some help to you.

http://support-us.sa...de=&session_id=

Also,
happyrock
I stand corrected, I only posted about the DVD RW's because I have run into certain HP systems that will not let me use DVD RW's for recovery purposes.
I guess they are trying to make sure the DVD's could never be over written.
I see that Samsung uses any DVD.
Gary

[sue.words]

Thank you for taking the trouble to post a suggestion, HappyRock.I am rather dismayed by the thought of having to spend a lot of money to make a recovery disc, but I will bear what you say in mind if I continue to have problems.

Edited by sue.words, 04 August 2012 - 03:57 PM.

[happyrock]

I only posted about the DVD RW's because I have run into certain HP systems that will not let me use DVD RW's for recovery purposes.

I have come across so many weird things with HP laptops and desktops and printers you couldn't give anything built by hp...

[sue.words]

Thank you, Gary, for posting the link. I have looked at it and it looks promising. My little netbook is quite new and this probably explains why when I follow the instructions in the link I am taken to Samsung Recovery 5 rather than Samsung Recovery III, but SR5 specifically gives DVD as a target storage medium for the back-up. So far so good!
I will see how I get on (probably tomorrow as it's 11pm now here) and report back.

[happyrock]

I am rather dismayed by the thought of having to spend a lot of money to make a recovery disc

they only cost about 25 bucks...if hp won't sell you one go here...select the make and model number and see what they charge...

[sue.words]

HappyRock – I love your hardware and software definitions!

[Macboatmaster]

Also for your consideration is this, supporting what my good colleague happyrock said

try doing a system image on a external usb hard drive...

DVD`s are always liable to damage, even the slight fingermark, may well stop it working. A scratch, so easily suffered, certainly will. They are a most unsuitable mediium for a backup of your important data.

As you use your computer and place on it more and more important documents, images etc. It is vital that these are backed up. - and indeed to a more secure medium than a dvd, or indeed a flash pen drive, as they are also unreliable.

Really important data should be backed up in two separate locations.

I am not saying to not save anything to DVD - I AM SAYING - do not ONLY save it to DVD.

Now to deal with the actual backup.

1. A complete image is a backup - a backup is not necessarily an image.

2. If your system becomes corrupted to the extent where windows will not load and cannot be repaired, even with the use of the excellent tools available in the Windows recovery environment OR with a custom install, previously referred to as a repair install of Windows on XP, then you will be faced with the use of the recovery parttion, sometimes included on OEM computers OR the clean install of Windows.

YOU will then be faced with the LOSS of all personal data not backed up and the LOSS of all programs, not installed when the computer was made and included in the reovery partition OR for which you do not have the installation media.

3. A complete image if made can then be cloned back to the hard drive.

http://windows.micro...-a-system-image

YOU CANNOT CHOOSE what to restore, when using a system image.

4. Your system inage will be approximately the size of all data on your hard drive PLUS the necessary files to create it and restore it.

Therefore as you will see the use of DVD`s is not a practical proposition.

5. That is SEPARATE from the Windows 7 repair disc created as here

http://windows.micro...tem-repair-disc

and that is vital for many OEM computers that do not include it. That disc will enable you to boot from the disc and access the repair environment.

6. Backup of Windows 7 selected data, as against the system image is here and can be easily done on DVD`s BUT again I would not recommend it.

http://windows.micro...k-up-your-files

You can then choose on this what to backup, eg your documents etc.

YOU CANNOT backup programs, as they will not restore and work. The files and data that allow them to work are NOT in the program, as you access it from the folder on C Drive.

7. If you cannot get the DVD RW to work on the suggested backup of your personal data - try formatting the DVD - NTFS file system. first.

[sue.words]

Thank you, Macboatmaster, for taking the trouble to write such a detailed post.

Perhaps I should give anyone kind enough to read my posts a little more information.

I had a (big heavy) HP laptop until it died recently. This was networked with my desktop and they were in effect a back-up for each other. I have now bought a little inexpensive Samsung netbook to replace the laptop – but to a much greater extent than its predecessor it is just a secondary computer. All my important data is on the desktop.

For a year or so I have used Dropbox as back-up for important files and (at almost the same time as I bought the netbook), after years of struggling to find a satisfactory back-up system, at the end of June I took out a subscription to Carbonite. My files and folders should, I hope, be safe there.

I bought the Sammy with just the minimal software it came with: Windows 7 Starter and Office Starter 2010 (plus some other bits and pieces, probably mainly junk), intending to see how I found I was using the netbook in practice before spending any money on an operating system and Office-type applications. What I want to do at the moment is create something – and System Image seemed to be the name for the most appropriate ... set of files, do I mean? – that will give me the confidence to remove things I think I don't want on it (gaming programs for example) both to declutter and perhaps to free up space for programs I do want.

To return to your really helpful post –
Tomorrow I will read everything you say properly but if you have time could you answer three questions please?

• Would you amend your advice at all about a back-up medium after reading what I say about what I specifically want to do?
• Do you think I need the sort of back-up you talk about in your post for my desktop in addition to Carbonite back-up?
• I am likely to replace the desktop fairly soon and am thinking about buying a Mac rather than a PC. Would any of the things you say about back-up be different for a Mac than for a PC?

I realize that I'm asking a lot in posing these three big questions – just a very brief response would be useful.




Thank you again for your kindness.

[Macboatmaster]

I am working tonight from 2100 to middle of the night so I will not be online

The quick answers to your questions, as I see it are:

1. NO - not really

2. Whilst there is nothing of vital importance on the computer NO

but I would still create the Windows repair disc.

2. I am sorry I do not have the answer. I know absolutely nothing about the Apple - Mac O/S

However as I am offline as stated and will not be back online until late Monday evening, I have asked if a good colleague of mine will take a look.

[happyrock]

at the end of June I took out a subscription to Carbonite. My files and folders should, I hope, be safe there.

that is fine...but for any data you can't live without you must have at least 2 copies besides the copy on the desktop...a usb hard drive is the best option...2nd choice would be a usb pen drive and 3rd choice would be DVD's ...not as a image just plain ole data...if you go the dvd route you should put the dvds in a different computer than the one that burned the data to make sure a different computer can read the files and then they should be stored in a container that will keep them safe so as to reduce any chance of scratching them...depending how fast your data changes you could burn dvds daily...weekly or monthly

you can always use all of the above for redundancy


have you tried 5 of macs advice...burn a Windows 7 repair disc...if not do so now
this will allow you to work on the windows desktop if something goes sideways like you can't boot up ect...is will also be required if you want to restore a image you created...it would be the disk you boot from to restore a image


How To Share Files Between Mac & Windows Computers..go here

[sue.words]

No time to respond at the moment – have been away from computer all day and evening. Hope to be able to digest all this advice tomorrow – thanks, both.

[sue.words]

have you tried 5 of macs advice...burn a Windows 7 repair disc...if not do so now

Well, my progress with all of this is slow but I have at least done this – burn a Windows 7 repair disc – now, thank you, Mac and HappyRock.
Will spend more time on this later.