[SimonsaysPDX]

Hello all, first time posting. Excuse me if I didn't say things correctly. I have a HP Laptop model 14-F023CL. Upgraded it to Win 10 few years ago and the laptop always freeze. Not sure if it's not enough ram? Here's some basic info; 1.7GHz, 8GB DDR3, AMD Radeon HD 8510G Graphic, 1TB 5400RPM HD. 65W AC adapter. What I want to ask is the HP site says MAX ram is 8GB, is that mean I can't swap the old ram and get a bigger ram? Second can I swap the 1TB to a SSD for faster loading? Not much of computer expert, but handy. Is it hard to swap those two thing? Thanks in advance for all the advice. 

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8GB is all it will take.  Unlikely to be the cause of the freezing tho.

 

You can replace the drive with an SSD.  You will need a USB to SATA adapter for the cloning process.  Ideally one that is transparent and reports the SSD's name and not its own in Device Manager.  (I usually use Samsung EVO SSDs and the Samsung cloning software won't work unless it sees a Samsung drive in Device manager.)   The cheap adapters (<$10) generally report their own names.  I have a disk dock from Probox that reports the actually drive's name but it was probably $30.  Some free cloning software claims to work for old drive to SSD but I haven't tried it.  AOMEI is one:

https://www.ubackup....e-software.html

(Have used it in the past to just clone and it works OK as longs as the old drive is in decent shape).

 

Let's see if we can find out why it is freezing before you spend any money on it:

 

The most likely cause of freezing on an older laptop is overheating so let's check that first.

Run Speedfan to monitor your temps in real time:

http://www.filehippo...nload_speedfan/

Download, save and Install it (Win 7+ or Vista right click and Run As Admin.) then run it (Win 7+ or Vista right click and Run As Admin.).

It will tell you your temps in real time tho the default is to show the hard drive temp in the systray.  You can change it:  Hit Configure then click on the highest temp and check Show in tray.  With no other programs running what is the highest temp you see?  Run an anti-virus scan, play one of your games or watch a video for at least 5 minutes.  What is the highest temp now?
 

We don't really want it to go over about 65 under load.  If it does it usually means either the fan is defective (speedfan should tell you your fan speed so you can see if it is running) or (most likely) the interface between the fan and the heatsink is clogged with dust. The best fix for a clogged heatsink is to remove the fan (not the heatsink or heatpipe) and vacuum out the heatsink.  However on some PCs this is major surgery.  Sometimes you can blow air backwards through the exhaust vent while vacuuming at the input vent and if you are lucky it may clear the heatsink.  Don't do it too long as the fan may overrev.

If it passes the temperature checks:

 

Then let's check that the operating system has all the files it needs:

Open an elevated command prompt:

http://www.howtogeek...-in-windows-10/
http://www.eightforu...indows-8-a.html

(If you open an elevated Command Prompt properly it will say Administrator: Command Prompt in the margin at the top of the window)


Once you have an elevated command prompt:

Type:
 

 DISM  /Online  /Cleanup-Image  /RestoreHealth

 

 (I use two spaces so you can be sure to see where one space goes.)
Hit Enter.  This will take a while (10-20 minutes) to complete.  Once the prompt returns:

Reboot.  Open an elevated Command Prompt again and type (with an Enter after the line):
 

sfc  /scannow

 

This will also take a few minutes.  

When it finishes it will say one of the following:

Windows did not find any integrity violations (a good thing)
Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and repaired them (a good thing)
Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some (or all) of them (not a good thing)

If you get the last result then type:

findstr  /c:"[SR]"  \windows\logs\cbs\cbs.log  >  %UserProfile%\desktop\junk.txt

 

Hit Enter.  Then type::

 

notepad %UserProfile%\desktop\junk.txt

 

Hit Enter.

 Copy the text from notepad and paste it into a reply.


After you finish SFC, regardless of the result:



1. Please download the Event Viewer Tool by Vino Rosso
http://images.malwar...om/vino/VEW.exe
and save it to your Desktop:
2. Right-click VEW.exe and Run AS Administrator
3. Under 'Select log to query', select:

* System
4. Under 'Select type to list', select:
* Error
* Warning


Then use the 'Number of events' as follows:


1. Click the radio button for 'Number of events'
Type 20 in the 1 to 20 box
Then click the Run button.
Notepad will open with the output log.


Please post the Output log in your next reply then repeat but select Application.  (Each time you run VEW it overwrites the log so copy the first one to a Reply or rename it before running it a second time.)
 

 

Get Process Explorer

https://live.sysinte...com/procexp.exe

Save it to your desktop then run it (Vista or Win7+ - right click and Run As Administrator).  

View, Select Column, check Verified Signer, OK
Options, Verify Image Signatures


Click twice on the CPU column header  to sort things by CPU usage with the big hitters at the top.  

Wait a full minute then:

File, Save As, Save.  Note the file name.   Open the file  on your desktop and copy and paste the text to a reply.


Copy the next 2 lines:
 

TASKLIST /SVC  > \junk.txt

notepad \junk.txt

Open an Elevated Command Prompt:
Win 7: Start, All Programs, Accessories then right click on Command Prompt and Run as Administrator
Win 8: http://www.eightforu...indows-8-a.html
win 10: http://www.howtogeek...-in-windows-10/

Right click and Paste (or Edit then Paste) and the copied lines should appear.
Hit Enter if notepad does not open.  Copy and paste the text from notepad into a reply.


Get the free version of Speccy:

http://www.filehippo...ownload_speccy/ 

(Look in the upper right for the Download
Latest Version button  - Do NOT press the large Start Download button on the upper left!)  
Download, Save and Install it.  Tell it you do not need CCLEANER.    Run Speccy.  When it finishes (the little icon in the bottom left will stop moving),
File, Save as Text File,  (to your desktop) note the name it gives. OK.  Open the file in notepad and delete the line that gives the serial number of your Operating System.  
(It will be near the top,  10-20  lines down.) Save the file.  Attach the file to your next post.  Attaching the log is the best option as it is too big for the forum.  Attaching is a multi step process.

First click on More Reply Options
Then scroll down to where you see
Choose File and click on it.  Point it at the file and hit Open.
Now click on Attach this file.

 

Multiple replies are fine.  Best to post logs as you get them.

 

[RKinner]

8GB is all it will take.  Unlikely to be the cause of the freezing tho.

 

You can replace the drive with an SSD.  You will need a USB to SATA adapter for the cloning process.  Ideally one that is transparent and reports the SSD's name and not its own in Device Manager.  (I usually use Samsung EVO SSDs and the Samsung cloning software won't work unless it sees a Samsung drive in Device manager.)   The cheap adapters (<$10) generally report their own names.  I have a disk dock from Probox that reports the actually drive's name but it was probably $30.  Some free cloning software claims to work for old drive to SSD but I haven't tried it.  AOMEI is one:

https://www.ubackup....e-software.html

(Have used it in the past to just clone and it works OK as longs as the old drive is in decent shape).

 

Let's see if we can find out why it is freezing before you spend any money on it:

 

The most likely cause of freezing on an older laptop is overheating so let's check that first.

Run Speedfan to monitor your temps in real time:

http://www.filehippo...nload_speedfan/

Download, save and Install it (Win 7+ or Vista right click and Run As Admin.) then run it (Win 7+ or Vista right click and Run As Admin.).

It will tell you your temps in real time tho the default is to show the hard drive temp in the systray.  You can change it:  Hit Configure then click on the highest temp and check Show in tray.  With no other programs running what is the highest temp you see?  Run an anti-virus scan, play one of your games or watch a video for at least 5 minutes.  What is the highest temp now?
 

We don't really want it to go over about 65 under load.  If it does it usually means either the fan is defective (speedfan should tell you your fan speed so you can see if it is running) or (most likely) the interface between the fan and the heatsink is clogged with dust. The best fix for a clogged heatsink is to remove the fan (not the heatsink or heatpipe) and vacuum out the heatsink.  However on some PCs this is major surgery.  Sometimes you can blow air backwards through the exhaust vent while vacuuming at the input vent and if you are lucky it may clear the heatsink.  Don't do it too long as the fan may overrev.

If it passes the temperature checks:

 

Then let's check that the operating system has all the files it needs:

Open an elevated command prompt:

http://www.howtogeek...-in-windows-10/
http://www.eightforu...indows-8-a.html

(If you open an elevated Command Prompt properly it will say Administrator: Command Prompt in the margin at the top of the window)


Once you have an elevated command prompt:

Type:
 

 DISM  /Online  /Cleanup-Image  /RestoreHealth

 

 (I use two spaces so you can be sure to see where one space goes.)
Hit Enter.  This will take a while (10-20 minutes) to complete.  Once the prompt returns:

Reboot.  Open an elevated Command Prompt again and type (with an Enter after the line):
 

sfc  /scannow

 

This will also take a few minutes.  

When it finishes it will say one of the following:

Windows did not find any integrity violations (a good thing)
Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and repaired them (a good thing)
Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files but was unable to fix some (or all) of them (not a good thing)

If you get the last result then type:

findstr  /c:"[SR]"  \windows\logs\cbs\cbs.log  >  %UserProfile%\desktop\junk.txt

 

Hit Enter.  Then type::

 

notepad %UserProfile%\desktop\junk.txt

 

Hit Enter.

 Copy the text from notepad and paste it into a reply.


After you finish SFC, regardless of the result:



1. Please download the Event Viewer Tool by Vino Rosso
http://images.malwar...om/vino/VEW.exe
and save it to your Desktop:
2. Right-click VEW.exe and Run AS Administrator
3. Under 'Select log to query', select:

* System
4. Under 'Select type to list', select:
* Error
* Warning


Then use the 'Number of events' as follows:


1. Click the radio button for 'Number of events'
Type 20 in the 1 to 20 box
Then click the Run button.
Notepad will open with the output log.


Please post the Output log in your next reply then repeat but select Application.  (Each time you run VEW it overwrites the log so copy the first one to a Reply or rename it before running it a second time.)
 

 

Get Process Explorer

https://live.sysinte...com/procexp.exe

Save it to your desktop then run it (Vista or Win7+ - right click and Run As Administrator).  

View, Select Column, check Verified Signer, OK
Options, Verify Image Signatures


Click twice on the CPU column header  to sort things by CPU usage with the big hitters at the top.  

Wait a full minute then:

File, Save As, Save.  Note the file name.   Open the file  on your desktop and copy and paste the text to a reply.


Copy the next 2 lines:
 

TASKLIST /SVC  > \junk.txt

notepad \junk.txt

Open an Elevated Command Prompt:
Win 7: Start, All Programs, Accessories then right click on Command Prompt and Run as Administrator
Win 8: http://www.eightforu...indows-8-a.html
win 10: http://www.howtogeek...-in-windows-10/

Right click and Paste (or Edit then Paste) and the copied lines should appear.
Hit Enter if notepad does not open.  Copy and paste the text from notepad into a reply.


Get the free version of Speccy:

http://www.filehippo...ownload_speccy/ 

(Look in the upper right for the Download
Latest Version button  - Do NOT press the large Start Download button on the upper left!)  
Download, Save and Install it.  Tell it you do not need CCLEANER.    Run Speccy.  When it finishes (the little icon in the bottom left will stop moving),
File, Save as Text File,  (to your desktop) note the name it gives. OK.  Open the file in notepad and delete the line that gives the serial number of your Operating System.  
(It will be near the top,  10-20  lines down.) Save the file.  Attach the file to your next post.  Attaching the log is the best option as it is too big for the forum.  Attaching is a multi step process.

First click on More Reply Options
Then scroll down to where you see
Choose File and click on it.  Point it at the file and hit Open.
Now click on Attach this file.

 

Multiple replies are fine.  Best to post logs as you get them.

 

[Bazingaa]

you cannont just swap ram with hdd .Rather go for RAM upgradation with upgraded graphics card