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I am going to be purchasing a new computer relatively soon and I need some insight on what would be a good choice.
First off I am looking into gaming performance in this build, but I am unclear as to which processor,motherboard,and GPU(s) would be worth getting.
I am undecided as to which GPU to get and if saving money through the processor is worth it, or vice versa.
My current build has an Intel 2.66 Quad Core and 2 Nvidia 1gb 9800 GT's SLI, and 4gb of ddr3
Would shaving my processor to a 3.16Ghz dual core and getting a Ati Radeon 4870x2, and 4gb of ddr2 ram be worth it?
Option 2 is about $150 cheaper than the quad core. What are your thoughts on all this?
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right now dual cores will perform better in gaming.
i would go for the intel core 2duo E8400, I dont like ATI cards that much, but the 4870x2 should be a good choice. For 4 gigs of ram u will have to get 64-bit OS to use all 4 g ,

And for the motherboard, i suggest the ASUS P5Q , or if you plan to crossfire asus p5q pro

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115037 cpu

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131299 asus p5q pro

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131295 Asus P5Q

I have read that the E8400 is very overclockable. If you do overclock you will need to get a better heatsink/fan than the stock one. Im not overclocking, but i did get a aftermarket cooler, the stock one is just to small for me

Edited by charge06, 14 September 2008 - 10:00 PM.

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Dual cores don't perform better than quads, the quads just don't perform better than quads as all but a handful of games are only capable of using 1 or 2 cores. However there are other advantages to a quad and the extra cores mean you are more likely to have two free cores most of the time and you can multi-task.

Also given that even with a Q6600 Ive yet to find a game that can make two cores max out on the thing and its really cheap now. The P5Q deluxe is a fantastic DDR2 motherboard and given ddr2 prices I would just stick with that, I think DDR2 will be around a good while as while ddr3 is fast ddr2 has the larger memory capacity and is a good balance between speed and size.

Don't SLI unless you are gaming at VERY high resolution, and even then get one of the more powerful single cards, even a single 4870 will handle pretty much anything even at high resolutions. And if you game at a normal res eg 1680x1050 or 1600x1200 a single 9800GT will be all you need to max out any game as long as the rest of the system is fast.
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thanks for the feedback. I will most likely be needing the 4870x2 since in the near future I will be using a 32" monitor. I'll go ahead and list out my current build and see what you guys think
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Depends on the 32", if its a 1080p or above then yes but if its just one of the many cheap 720p 32" monitors then you wouldn't need it. you can have 22" monitors that take more horsepower to run than 46" ones.
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Ok, heres my current build.

CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115037

GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102768 (still not 100% on this)

PSU: I need some help on this one

Ram: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231122

MB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131297

HDD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136218

Cooling: I need some info on which would be the best idea for this

Tell me what you guys think so far
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Looks ok, but I would just get a plain 4870, with that motherboard if it really isn't enough power which I doubt add in another and crossfire it.

For me I would go with the Q6600 but its your choice, I personally think the Q6600 is better in terms of keeping the system future proofed than the dual core, and trust me a Q6600 will handle anything you throw at it game wise so its not going to be a bottleneck and it does overclock very easily if you need more power.

PSU wise the big rule is stick with a trusted brand: I like Hiper for slightly cheaper but still good high performance PSUs but it can be hard to get the better models. Antec is a good all rounder I have an 850W Quattro and its a very nice modular power supply but Enermax, Tagan, Akasa also put out good value quality supplies. My 850W is possibly high for my system(you can look in my profile to compare with yours) it would have ran on a 600W just fine but I wanted more breathing space and 850W should last a good long while and the racing stripes were cool.

Cooling depends on the case, I like Antec cases as they balance the price/features really well and you get the most bang for your buck the cases are also of the highest quality and come with plenty of decent quality Antec fans so you don't need to buy extra usually meaning you just need to worry about CPU cooling.

If you want to overclock get a good CPU cooler, like a thermalright 120 or 90 with a good quiet fan like a Noctua 120mm PWM. If you want to maybe overclock but just want something good and not too expensive the Arctic freezer 64 is fantastic it cools great for not too much money. If you wont be overclocking the HSF you get in the box with the CPU will do just fine, allot of the intel systems use a version of the Arctic Alpine which is a nice cooler.

Edited by warriorscot, 15 September 2008 - 06:58 AM.

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I would be willing to go with a better processor and a single 4870, but from my understanding, having a higher ghz dual core would perform better than a lower ghz quad core since games/applications will only utilize 1 or 2 cores. Is that right, or would a quad core be better? Also, would a single 512 4870 be better than a single 1gb 4850?

Here are 3 PSU's I am looking at, what are your thoughts?

1. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817148035
2. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817128008
3. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817152036

Edited by Deldrice, 15 September 2008 - 08:00 AM.

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Yes to an extent, no game yet that I have played will tax a Q6600 enough to max out even one of its cores even before overclocking at least as long as the GPU and RAM is up to the job of backing it up. And more and more game utilise multiple cores most only do 2 but some will take a third or fourth to use as something else such as physics. Not to mention if you have a game that uses two cores which is becoming common that is both cores needed if you want to run something else you can't really do that. I can watch TV, extract a large file archive and download from the internet all at the same time as playing a new AAA game like Assasins creed or stalker without problem. The only game I have and haven't tested that I think could maybe make a q6600 have to work for its money is Supreme commander but I think even that will be fine as it is optimised for multi core usage and none of this is talking about an overclock which the Q6600 will happily go to 3Ghz and can actually take a full 1Ghz+ overclock on air cooling if you know what you are doing and tweak the voltages.

On the power supplies the only one I would say would work ok is the Hiper, Apevia and Raidmax both have less than shining reputations for power supplies as they tend to go for the crap packaged with cases power supply market not the high end builders like Hiper does. Thats the Type-m which is the more budget model of the Hipers they have a 5k, 10k and Type-R range with a few more features you might be able to find they don't add much to the power supply but things like a powered USB hub that you can use to charge devices even when the PC is off is a nice touch and they sometimes don't cost much more than the type-M but its hard to find them.

The corsair 750TX gets decent reviews I wouldn't say its better than the Hiper but its still a good PSU worth considering.
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Ok, heres and updated list.

CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115131

GPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102795 (still not 100%)

PSU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817128008

RAM: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231122

MB: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131297

HDD: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822136218

Optical Drive: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827151173 (Lightsribe will be very helpful for me)

Case: This is pretty much my last part, I'll put a few here, tell me what you think. (A few are based on looks =P)
1. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811144151
2. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811156209
3. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811103010 (airflow seems to be adequate =P)
4. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811144197

Edited by Deldrice, 15 September 2008 - 08:51 AM.

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Can't say the cases are my cup of tea but there is nothing really wrong with them, then again they are nothing compared to a good Antec, Thermaltake or coolermaster case. Generally as a rule for myself I go for understated and solid build quality but different people have different ideas about cases, some people prefer cheap and often where as I tend to go for quality over quantity so I get cases that are a bit less flashy so I won't get sick of the looks. However I will say that the cheap cases will not have the necessary air flow or size to cool high end components, some of them might look like they have better cooling than they do.

The optical drive is fine, I think I have the same one although I never noticed the light scribe and to be honest you will probably never use it as it needs special software allot of the time and special light scribe discs which cost a fortune.

On the gfx card it is really up to you, if you really want the 4870x2 get it but I think its overkill maybe even the 4870 is too much you could probably get away with a 4850 as you really won't believe how powerful the new cards are till you try them. But it is your money and it is your choice.

Will you be doing any overclocking or just leaving it as is?
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Overclocking is a possibility, if I decide to do so I'll get a new cpu fan for sure, and as for lightscribe, I will be using that as I burn cds/dvds quite often. Dvd+r's are $20 for a 50pack of lightscribe discs (I'm sure they aren't that good of quality, but they aren't very expensive) Do you think you could give me a few of your choices on cases.
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Well any of the Antec Performance One series, so P180 and P182, and the Hundred series gaming cases the 300,900 or 1200 Also the Sonata 2 is good but comes with its own 550W PSU.

Coolermaster centurions are good quality cheap cases, and thermalright has a few good midrange cases. Other companies make good cases but those three are the best value for money wise.

On DVD+R disks quality and burner compatibility is important as very often you can get a cheap spindle but more than half will come out as coasters. I find one format that works then I stick to it, for some people that is Verbatims from India or TDK. For me its Maxell DVD+R £15 doe a spindle of 50 which is cheap here and they don't end up as coasters. If you are getting the same drive as me mines will actually burn some disks at x22 speed even though they are only x16 disks, there is a list on the samsung website of the compatible disks.
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Verbatims are my favorite at the moment. They work flawlessly on 3 different drives, different computers, and never have any burn issues. I once bought a stack of memorex cd-r's, they were cheap and not one of them worked, they crashed my macbook about 3 times making me force an ejection upon startup.
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Ok, I've pretty much got most of my choices set except 1 thing, 2.66 quad or 3.16 duo. I plan on buying a new cooler to help support overclocking and I decided on the http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129021 which is reviewed as a very "air flow efficient" case. Pricewise, going with the duo is about $70 cheaper and would make up for a better cooler. Would overclocking a 3.16 to an upwards of 3.8+ and a better cooler be a better bet than getting a 2.66 quad and a lower end cooler to overclock?
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