Frequent BSODs - No Entry in Event Viewer
#46
Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:28 AM
#47
Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:38 AM
#48
Posted 28 September 2009 - 07:52 AM
#49
Posted 28 September 2009 - 08:11 AM
#50
Posted 28 September 2009 - 08:48 AM
..OR.. chuck computer off the back balcony onto the cement below... hmmm....
#51
Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:16 AM
#52
Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:25 AM
Not "or" get new memory. More like "by" getting new memory. Your RAM failed MemTest. That pretty much puts an end to the story - with fingers crossed it is not the motherboard. I mean, it is not like you can repair the bad chip, they have to be replaced. That's after determining which chip, on which stick. If this problem started a couple days ago, it might be easy to isolate the problem, then fix it. Or attempt a System Restore. But since this has been going on for a couple months now, all kinds of changes could have happened - certainly Microsoft sent out a couple batches of updates, as did your security programs. Drivers get updated. All these affect how your RAM is used.i guess my options are either find a way to tackle this on my own.. or get new memory off the QVL list...
Summer came (and went - 39°F tonight in Nebraska!), but perhaps something got a bit too warm, and is now barely in, or just out of tolerance (as happens when electronics ages over time, or fails prematurely from stress caused by an abnormal "event" (surge, spike, heat, physical abuse), manufacturing defect, or any combination of any of the above.
There are so many RAM makers tossing out countless "lines" of modules. Motherboard makers can't test them all. The ASUS tech really could little more than what he did, other than have you run a memory tester, and we already did that, and determined your RAM does not work correctly - at least not with that motherboard. If you are running dual-channel, you might try them in single channel mode. If they work, then you may have a bad dual-channel memory controller, an integral part of the motherboard - new motherboard time. If still bad, then it points back to the RAM.
At this point, you have no way of conclusively isolating the fault to the RAM, or the motherboard. That said, the evidence does point to the RAM. Replacing the RAM is cheaper, and MUCH easier than the whole motherboard, not only because of the obvious physical task of gutting the case, but a new motherboard means a good chance of Windows choking upon next reboot, or at least force a Windows reauthentication.
I think many RAM makers warranty their RAM for 3 years, and many have lifetime warranties.
#53
Posted 28 September 2009 - 11:47 AM
it just doesn't make any sense why the memory would work "fine" in one configuration and seperately but then test bad when swapping slots.. the sticks are exactly identical(as far as the eye can see) and have been working without fault for over 2 years. If something caused one to overload then why am i not seeing more errors pertaining to the memory?
the computer sits ontop of a false floor away from electrical sources, other than the main power cord going to the computers power supply so i dont believe there could have been a static discharge. again the room is environment controlled(aka server room). Physical abuse is definitely not an issue.. only person in here is me and the computer sits far enough away from me so that i dont kick it.
im not sure if the memory is dual channel or not but i will look into that.. i too hope that it is not the motherboard because as much as i would hate to have to buy memory i would really loathe buying a new MoBo..
At this point, you have no way of conclusively isolating the fault to the RAM, or the motherboard. That said, the evidence does point to the RAM. Replacing the RAM is cheaper, and MUCH easier than the whole motherboard, not only because of the obvious physical task of gutting the case, but a new motherboard means a good chance of Windows choking upon next reboot, or at least force a Windows reauthentication.
i do agree that mobo would be much harder to replace but there has to be a way to decide if the ram or the mobo is failing.. or if there is a 3rd party at play.
thoughts?
#54
Posted 28 September 2009 - 12:59 PM
Ummm, for about the 4th time, there is... replace the RAM. Sometimes, "remove and replace" is the ONLY viable troubleshooting method left, short of shipping the suspect items (RAM and motherboard) back to their respected factories for testing. That said, even then, if that is legacy stuff, they may have already retooled to where factory testing is no longer an option. This is one reason shops have spare RAM, PSUs, and graphics cards laying around - to verify suspicions. But in your case, you more than suspicions, you have MemTest reporting errors.i do agree that mobo would be much harder to replace but there has to be a way to decide if the ram or the mobo is failing..
#55
Posted 28 September 2009 - 01:19 PM
...unless it is the MoBo and not the memory... if it is then *palm to forehead (with some force)*
#56
Posted 28 September 2009 - 02:06 PM
#57
Posted 28 September 2009 - 04:35 PM
just read your MS MVP profile.. nice rapsheet you've got going there! just curious.. have you tried any overclocking? if so is it something you might suggest to someone before buying new "better" hardware?
#58
Posted 28 September 2009 - 09:03 PM
As noted in my sig, heat is the bane of all electronics. Overclocking increases heat yet all too often, overclockers don't even pay attention to that. Or they switch to alternative cooling, which may be fine for the CPU, but neglect all the other heat sensitive devices surrounding the CPU socket that traditionally take advantage of the CPU's fan moving.
Overclocking can be a fun learning experience, but understand it is a marketing gimmick, and should not be done on a "production" machine, that is, a computer that is needed for work, school, or other critical tasks. If you have an "expendable" game machine, go for it. But do your homework and do it right, know the consequences. Or, if you want more power, buy it.
#59
Posted 28 September 2009 - 09:22 PM
i have thought that too about OC being a marketing scam.. now they offer pre OC'ed hardware for extravagant prices.. of course what today isnt a scam in some way. everyone wants that last couple of dollars... look at oil and gas prices...
#60
Posted 29 October 2009 - 11:03 AM
Here's how things are looking. I have the new set of memory! installed it and that aspects seems to be running fine. No more of the memory reference errors like i was getting here and there before the swapped memory. Thank you limited lifetime warranty!!
HOWEVER, I am still getting bluescreens and random system freezes. And, just like before, no entry in event viewer. I tried the bluescreen viewer that I believe you had me download and it comes up with nothing. Under system adv properties it is set to write a small dump and not to auto restart (though it auto restarts anyways). This time CCleaner is not deleting windows error reporting logs on startup so that is not a possible reason why there are no logs...
any ideas of a next step?
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