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can't get to the xp setup screen - Bootable USB XP setup


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okay :yes: , nvm, thanks for your support
:) :)

Edited by zkteh, 06 November 2011 - 05:03 AM.

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sry, it(two) is a desktop platform, can you give me the asus desktop forum link ? :)

Edited by zkteh, 06 November 2011 - 05:03 AM.

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http://vip.asus.com/...SLanguage=en-us
Link to General ASUS forum -
If this is a Desktop, why is there no Optical / CD drive ??
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i don't know ... :)
can you help me to get another helper to be my helper ?
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On that motherboard are the following
2 x USB connectors support additional 4 USB ports
1 x Floppy disk drive connector
1 x IDE connector
4 x SATA connectors

1 x CPU/ Chassis Fan connector
Front panel High Definition audio connector
1 x S/PDIF Out connector
Chassis Intrusion connector
CD audio in
24-pin ATX Power connector
4-pin ATX 12V Power connector
System Panel


so asking the same question as my colleague noknojon who has asked if I will take a look at your thread IS THERE an optical drive fitted, that does not work or is there NO optical drive fitted - most unusual if the latter for a desktop computer. Clearly the reply "I don`t know" in your last may well be true. BUT which is it please. Fitted but not working or just the blanks in the case.

Also that motherboard has integrated graphics - are you connected on the I/O plate or to a separate graphics card.

The way forward on this, if you do not have an external CD drive and the computer does NOT have an optical drive fitted is to take out the hard drive and connect it to another computer and see if the drive is accessible and run a chkdsk on a Windows computer
It is very likely that either the drive is faulty and therefore cannot be accessed even via the usb boot to the nlite for repair.
OR the MBR - master boot record is corrupted.

So in summary
1. Optical drive - IS THERE ONE or NOT
2. Integrated grpahics or card - if a card connect integrated - enter BIOS set integrated graphics enabled.
3. Disconnect all devices except monitor keyboard and mouse.
4. Check in BIOS if HDD is recognised.
5. This would be so much easier if further testing is necessary with a CD drive. UBCD4win and Puppy and other tools are most easily made on a CD
6. Depending on above 1 - 5 proceed with chkdsk as described

Edited by Macboatmaster, 06 November 2011 - 05:02 PM.

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hi, Macboatmaster , welcome to my thread.
i would like to answer your question one by one...
1. there was no optical drive installed, refer to above...
2. i am using integrated graphics controller
3. i am just using a monitor, keyboard, mouse(no other apparatus attached)
4. Check in BIOS if HDD is recognized. ----->i can't understand this sentence...

"It is very likely that either the drive is faulty"---> the drive = hdd or my usb ?
"and therefore cannot be accessed even via the usb boot to the nlite for repair."---> pls elaborate this sentence...
"OR the MBR - master boot record is corrupted."---> talking about hdd ?
pls elaborate above sentence too, why you are suspecting about MBR ?
i am afraid that i can't get your aim..., pls kindly use simple words..
Thank you.

Edited by zkteh, 07 November 2011 - 01:44 AM.

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1. As soon as the computer posts that is the first screen, before the Windows Welcome screen that would appear, if it was not for the fault, keep tapping F2, it maybe another key but normally it will indicate on the post screen to enter setup press (key)
When in BIOS see if the hard drive is recognised.

Also check that the time and date are shown correct.

and yes I am referring to the HDD.

I presume you have already been in to BIOS to set USB as boot device.

Edited by Macboatmaster, 07 November 2011 - 08:10 AM.

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i still can't understand your first sentence :) ...
if i am understanding you correctly, you want me to check the hdd in bios ? if yes, than,i can see the hdd in the bios ...

"Also check that the time and date are shown correctly"---> but why :yes: ?
i had already configure the boot sequence, pls refer to above...
and, why you are talking about hdd ? my main question is
why i can't get to the xp setup screen ?
pls be inform that i am not having the computer, i can't report the result to you in short time...
pls post all possible method to let me try..
thank you.

Edited by zkteh, 07 November 2011 - 07:20 AM.

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zkteh

I have a great deal of patience I think, but either you want us to help you, in which case you must accept our advice, or if you are unwilling to do so, there is little point in continuing.


noknojon was helping when you posted

can you help me to get another helper to be my helper ?


He asked me if I would look hence my reply to you.

why i can't get to the xp setup screen ?

You cannot get to the XP setup screen because, presuming that the installation of the XP on the flash pen is OK, as it works in another computer, the files on the HDD cannot be found. In fact the DRIVE itself cannot be found.
This is due to, as I said, either the drive HAS failed mechannically insofar as the read/write head etc OR the file corruption is too great for it to be recognised. May well be the Master boot record - MBR.

Also check that the time and date are shown correctly"---> but why

BECAUSE if the CMOS battery has failed the time and date will be incorrect, until reset.
Then when you shut diown the computer, the time and date will again be incorrect as they are maintained when there is no other power by the battery.
HOWEVER a flat battery causes many other problems besides simply the time and date.

Re this from your last post

and, why you are talking about hdd

We are talking about your HDD, because for the time being we may presume, that this is the cause of
1. You not been able to load Windows normally
2. You not being able to progress to the Windows setup screen from the USB boot.

From your previous post

pls elaborate above sentence too, why you are suspecting about MBR ?


This thread on the link below will answer a lot of your questions as to why noknojon and now me, are asking the questions - you are querying.
http://www.geekstogo...en/page__st__75

Finally is this computer a branded make, I know you have posted which motherboard is in the computer, but what is the make if branded - and model.
ie: Dell, HP etc.

Edited by Macboatmaster, 07 November 2011 - 08:37 AM.

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Hello -
Do you understand BIOS, HDD, or POST ??
To access BIOS (if this is a ASUS unit) restart the computer and hold down DEL button prior to starting, and keep holding it -
If this works you will see a new screen that you have never seen.
Post back if you can do this - -

From Macboatmaster -
Finally is this computer a branded make, I know you have posted which motherboard is in the computer, but what is the make if branded - and model.
ie: Dell, HP etc.

Is there a Malaysian forum that can help you, since you do not understand English ??

Edited by noknojon, 07 November 2011 - 02:55 PM.

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firstly, thanks for your kind help...
it is a DIY computer, so i just post the model of the mobo.
if i am correct, the xp setup will find for the available hdd before its "start" ?
"the files on the HDD cannot be found" ---> what files ?

"In fact the DRIVE itself cannot be found" ---> the hdd can't find itself ? i can't understand...

"May well be the Master boot record - MBR."---> so, if the MBR fail down, i will need to repair or write a new XP compatible files to MBR ? since i am running XP ? if the MBR fail down, the hdd will not be recognize by the computer ?

Edited by zkteh, 08 November 2011 - 06:41 AM.

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I am sorry you do not understand what we are trying to tell you.

Have you looked at the other link I sent you.?

Have you done what I suggested.
BIOS
Time and date

BIOS
Is the hard drive seen by the BIOS

Take the HDD out and see if connected to another computer either in an enclosure OR as a slave drive - in the actual computer, you would not need to insert it in a bay if the power and data leads are long enough, can the data be read.
If the drive is PATA (IDE) jumper it slave.

We can unfortunately and I assure you with regret make no progress unless you can do as we suggest.

Good Luck with it.
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fist,sry, i can't use that computer anymore..., its going to be holiday here.., that computer is in my school computer lab.
i think this case will be close but can you list all the possible problem before this thread close, or pls answer my question in #26
about date and time, this is to check the battery healthy right, because it may let another problem encounter, right ?
pls read my post again, the hard drive seen by the BIOS
about MBR, what the tools that i can use to fix the MBR issue ?

Edited by zkteh, 08 November 2011 - 08:00 AM.

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When you get the computer back in your actual possession, do as I have asked and post back with the results.

We will then be in a better position to assist further.
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i think it's time to close this thread.
i can't access that computer anymore...
thanks for your kind support.
thanks again.
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