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My First Build - Just need your input :D


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so i am getting this for myself for Christmas and would love to hear your thoughts on my new build

EDIT:i changed a few parts based on your recommendations and would love your input again...
*case now fits bigger motherboards
*motherboard now has p67 chipset
*ram is most likely compatible with motherboard (website did not have this model but had many other patriot models)
*still iffy on getting rid of heatsink to use stock heatsink after seeing benchmarks

MSI P67S-C43 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130576

Patriot G series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820220484

SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102908

Intel Core i5-2500K
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835103065

Parts i own:
COOLER MASTER Storm Scout
500w power supply
wifi card
hard drive
dvd/rw
mouse/keyboard
monitor
speakers
windows 7

thanks for reading all of this...and criticism is welcome
(even on how ugly the color scheme is...)

Edited by Superchimpo, 29 November 2011 - 06:41 PM.

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Hi Superchimpo and :welcome:
No criticism only guidance is offered at GTG :thumbsup:
Before purchasing a CPU or Ram you should check the MBs QVL (qualified vendor list) to ensure compatibility, your CPU is listed as being supported but not your Ram, see http://206.108.48.60...?S_ID=511&tab=1 this however does not mean that it will not work only that it has not been tested for compatibility by Biostar.
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 you do not need this as the CPU is provided with a HS and fan and using anything else will invalidate your CPU warranty, Intel are clear on this;

damage to the Product due to external causes, including accident, problems with electrical
power, abnormal electrical, mechanical or environmental conditions, usage not in accordance
with product instructions, misuse, neglect, alteration, repair, improper installation, or improper
testing

Full article @ http://www.intel.com...b/cs-009862.htm

i will be using my old:
500w power supply and your video card http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102908
Your PSU does not give you much headroom, a PSU calculator returned these results http://www2.corsair....lse&vc_oc=False
wifi card
hard drive
dvd/rw
mouse/keyboard
monitor
speakers
windows 7 This must be a full retail version as you cannot use an OEM (original equipment manufacturer) type with anything other than the original MB that it was tied to with the exception of the MB being replaced under warranty with the same type of MB or an alternative MB should an original replacement type not be available.
What is the brand and model of your PSU and do you have any TIM (thermal interface material) for your HS and CPU, see the tutorial courtesy of Digerati @ http://www.geekstogo...rface-material/
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Hi Superchimpo, Posted Image

If this is to be a gaming build? you do not need a SB 2600k. The 2500K has almost identical performance. I suggest you do some research and this will start you off. The benchmark graphs onthe first site have small coloured squares *with the CPU name beside ti) click the squire for the CPU you want results for.

http://www.overclock...d_corei5_2500k/

http://www.bit-tech....bridge-review/1

http://www.silentpcr...andybridge_CPUs

Your Mobo. The SB CPUs have every feature embedded on the die. The type of motherboard used determines what features are available to the user.
There were 2 early platforms, H67 and P67.

If you install a K series CPU on a H67 Mobo you have access to the integrated graphics but very limited over-clocking. (your selected choice)
If you install a K series CPU on a P67 Mobo you have access to over-clocking but are denied integrated graphics.

Intel then introduced the Z68.

http://rethinkthough...nces-explained/

Your board plus 2, I recommend the Asrock.

http://www.newegg.co...ronegg_overlay#

Please let us know the make and model of the PSU you want to use.

Edited by iammykyl, 28 November 2011 - 03:24 AM.

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(to phillpower2)

first of all, thanks for responding so quickly
i didn't expect to have this many problems with this build, but here we go

i didn't know ram had to be compatible by brand, i only thought it had to be 1333 for my motherboard
(also when i went to the link i could not find where it said this)

i was told that stock heat sinks are just bad news and that these were one of the best for the money
it also comes with the thermal paste.
my plans were to use that heatsink until i had the money for liquid cooling. most likely it would just be a self maintained one just for the cpu.
i think i will stick with the stock one so i don't void any warranty until i can upgrade it.

the "old" power supply isn't really old at all. i don't expect it to put me into crazy overclocked speeds, but for right now its what i can afford.
my plans with this was to have this upgraded along with my heatsink. when i used one of the calculators it said about 450w so i figured i would be fine for now.
on the box it says 500w with 600w peak, but i dont want to go over 500 at all.

please keep in mind that i want this build to be a semi-hardcore gaming rig when its all done
thanks again for all your help

Edited by Superchimpo, 27 November 2011 - 06:21 PM.

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(to iammykyl)

thanks again for all the help...i feel like i learned so much off of just thesee 2 posts.

i have been doing research for months now, but when i started i didnt know anything about computers.
so im still a bit new at this, but i did look at bench marks a while back on:
http://www.cpubenchm...h_end_cpus.html
and i tried the link for your benchmarks but i couldn't seem to find them :|
maybe its because im tired...im well aware that the 2600k might be a bit overkill but im getting a $80 deal on it
(comes with battlefield 3 and 20 bucks :D) so i figure for the little bit of money i spend on it, it can be more future proof

i didnt know about the motherboard thing, thats some good information you gave me there. i still dont know what the other numbers/letters are
for example TZ68A+RCH. those motherboards look great and i would love to get one of them, but they are a bit more pricey then i had hoped.
im not really looking for sli or crossfire so really just a PCI Express 2.0 x16 and a pci slot would be plenty for my video card and wifi card.
however i do want to make it "future proof" so that i have the 4×240pin slots for memory if thay becomes the new standard.
and i saw that the asrock (although pricey) had PCI Express 3.0 x16... is that something im going to need because i dont see any video cards using it.
if it would make it more future proof i would love to spend a bit more on getting that.
also i have a problem that if i buy a bigger motherboard like this, i would have to change my case as well.
it only holds motherboards up to 11" x 12"

thanks again and i will be pressing f5 over and over waiting for your responce... :P

EDIT:
also how do you feel about this motherboard...
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130576
and what kind of ram should i be looking for if i was to get this instead...i would assume faster is better but i also assumed this build would work

Edited by Superchimpo, 27 November 2011 - 07:33 PM.

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im well aware that the 2600k might be a bit overkill but im getting a $80 deal on it<br style="color: rgb(13, 41, 117); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242); ">

(comes with battlefield 3 and 20 bucks

:D

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OK, so that's a big fat tick for the 2600K.


still dont know what the other numbers/letters are
for example TZ68A+RCH

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The T will be the maufacturers number, the Z68 is the chipset. the other letters, I think, are what a manufacturer adds to the Intel reference board.

and i saw that the asrock (although pricey) had PCI Express 3

.0 x16... is that something im going to need because i dont see any video cards using it.


Info, http://en.wikipedia....PCI_Express_3.0


I think it will be a fair while before we see reasonable priced GPUs using PCI Express 3.0

Here are 2 alternative boards to the MSI. Either would be a better choice.

http://www.newegg.co...6^13-130-576-TS

also i have a problem that if i buy a bigger motherboard like this, i would have to change my case as well.
it only holds motherboards up to 11" x 12"



Was just about to answer you and see that you have edited your original post.

Please do not edit your posts, unless for spelling, as it will cause much comfustion.

You have been given six of the best and are now standing in the corner of the room until you have learned your lesson.Posted Image

When you have decided on a Mobo, the rem can then be selected.







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i dont understand why you pick these expensive motherboards...it just seems like i would never use half of those things
i really only need 2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 and a pci slot
this does raise a good question, on my video card it said it needs 2.1 not 2.0
i googled the difference and im not getting much information and when i looked for motherboards that support this nothing came up (in newegg atleast)
is it only for 3.0? and will my video card still run on a 2.0 slot? and if it does, will it hinder the performance at all?

i only have about 110 bucks left on this build and i still need a motherboard and ram
newegg has a ton of MIR i can do, so i know its possible.
it would be a BIG help if you were to help me find these last 2 components ,and explain to me why you picked them
it would be greatly appreciated.

(also when you leave those newegg compare sheets, they only last for a day then the link doesnt work anymore. can i suggest to link out all of the choices rather than 1 compare link)
thanks again for all of your time im wasting :D

EDIT: i would also love to hear your thoughts on using the stock heatsink and no overclocking until i have enough money to buy something like this...

CORSAIR H40 120mm High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16835181018

Edited by Superchimpo, 28 November 2011 - 09:07 PM.

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$100 mark Mobo is cheap, $300 plus card is expensive. I would think the MSI you selected is super cheap, with rebate, as the sales must be very low.

i really only need 2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 and a pci slot


The MIS only has one PCI express 2.0 x 16 slot.

this does raise a good question, on my video card it said it needs 2.1 not 2.0. will my video card still run on a 2.0 slot? and if it does, will it hinder the performance at all?


The numbers 1.0. 2.0. 2.1. and 3.0, are the revisions of PCI Express x 16 standard. the slots are backward comparable so any PCI express card will run any any slot. You may get a performance hit but would not know how bad, or if at all, until you installed it. Exception being, if the card or the slot is revision 1.0, then the interface will run at half speed.

So your card will run on the MSI Mobo.

i only have about 110 bucks left on this build and i still need a motherboard and ram
newegg has a ton of MIR i can do, so i know its possible.



YUou need to spend the cash first and then fight to get the rebate, often never turns up. Consider buying this case, actually has better cooling, washable filters.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129066 Still leaves you short for getting a Z68 Mobo.

You would get a more balanced and better performing build by using the 2500K. You would than have cash for a much better GPU, faster RAM and an up to date Mobo.

i would also love to hear your thoughts on using the stock heatsink and no overclocking until i have enough money to buy something like this...
CORSAIR H40 120mm High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler



My thoughts are the same as Phillpower2 (post #2). Use the stock cooler and see how the system performs. I would not use liquid cooling, there is quite a bit of maintenance with it, and I think only useful if you are into benchmarking.

I am glad to help, you are not wasting my time. that occurs when I put the effort in and then get no response or the thread just ends for no apparent reason.


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Edit spelling

Edited by iammykyl, 29 November 2011 - 05:17 AM.

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ok fine...you broke me
ill get the i5 2500k
(wont be gettin those sweet deals :|)

oh and your a little late on the case i ended up buyin the case because of cyber monday...its both a nice looking case and has plenty of air flow and room for cable management
(and i can put some of my old fans in with it)

now can you link me a couple of ram/motherboard combos or at least tell me what to look for?
i got a new budget of 210 bucks
i really hope thats enough for them.
i really dont care if the colors match much
i just want it to work good

also, when do you think its a good idea to drop on a better heatsink?

thanks again

EDIT: i am really liking that asrock motherboard you linked earlier
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157271

Edited by Superchimpo, 29 November 2011 - 07:05 PM.

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ok fine...you broke me<br style="color: rgb(13, 41, 117); font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(242, 242, 242); ">

ill get the i5 2500k


It was not my intention to pressure you, only to get the best build for the money. If you feel at all uncomfortable with my suggestions, Please PM Phillpower2, Troy or Digerati.

I do think the Asrock is a suitable board. http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157271

RAM that is compatible. I have deliberately selected low profile as it it your intention to use an after market cooler in the future.
The fancy RAM with the fins or teeth can cause problems with many coolers.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820233196

Aprox $177.00.
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ok cool thanks...im about to go to school so i will keep with quick.
why not pick faster ram?
oh and long story short i am returning my old case and getting the big brother of the case you wanted me to get.
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811129097
the last one couldnt fit my video card
this one wont either if i dont take out one of the hard drive bays
and i think this is it...i think i have all the parts picked out!
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
(im still gunna wait on your reply to that ram question though)
and then its the hardest part...waiting for it to ship!

EDIT:
the motherboard didnt say anything about this ram being compatible
and what do i do with all this extra money :|?

Edited by Superchimpo, 30 November 2011 - 08:31 AM.

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why not pick faster ram?



When a Mobo Manufacturer states the native RAM speed as 1600, and down, like the Asrock, they guarantee the board will run the RAM at that speed. Where you have a speed with brackets, 2133, (OC) they have tested RAM at that speed and it will run BUT they do not give a guarantee

You could use faster RAM than I selected, but would have to over clock it. This can be very involved and complicated plus, you generate a lot more heat, rig can become very unstable and you probable cut down the lifespan of the RAM.

Very good choice for the case.

this one wont either if i dont take out one of the hard drive bays


You don't actually have to remove a drive bay, You just do not install a HDD in the bay opposite the end of the video card.

the motherboard didnt say anything about this ram being compatible


AS there are so many different RAM sticks, only so many can be tested. The one I selected is of the correct type and specs so you would be extremely unfortunate if it failed to run.

what do i do with all this extra money :|?


Fill out your order on Newegg, calculate the shipping and taxes but don't confirm the order. Let us know how much cash is left in the budget.
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/facepalm
i forgot to add the cpu to the list...

well its not the $200+ i had before but i do have about 35 bucks left
(thats including tax/shipping/rebates)

also, i didnt know that about the case...it will come in handy later

im not sure what else to buy with $35... ram cooler maybe?
tell me what you think.

there is nothing wrong with havin a little more pocket change for later
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I would stick with the supplied cooler for now. The heat-sink will come with a pre applied thermal pad, adiquite but you could do a little better and get lower temps by using a better TIM.

You will need a small amount of 91% Isopropyl alcohol, from a Drug Store, and some TIM.


Please read this tutorial courtesy of Digerati

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http://www.geekstogo...rface-material/




Also see this review,

http://benchmarkrevi...d=150&Itemid=62

It is then up to you which TIM you want to us, you do not have to buy the most expensive to get good results.

Even though motherboards now come with Graphical UEFI – BIOS Interface, I always install a system speaker. It used to come as standard with most PC cases but is now seldom found. At system start up, when the BOIS is inspecting the system, if everything is A OK, you will hear s single beep, if there is a problem, a series of beeps indicating a specific issue. Cost $150 to 4.00. Example, http://cwc-group.com/8ohm.html

Download your Mobo manual so you can get to know it, http://www.asrock.co...8 Extreme3 Gen3






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i will most likely get that cleaning kit i saw on newegg
comes with everything i need to remove the thermal paste
and then grab some arctic silver

i know my computer gives me a post beep so i will just snatch that out of this case
o and i was already reading my motherboards manual yesterday :D

well if this is it, please tell me if there is anything i can do to thank you
(besides liking every one of your posts)

you have been a great help

EDIT:
will changing the thermal paste void the warranty?

Edited by Superchimpo, 01 December 2011 - 04:24 PM.

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