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The final decision is yours but personally I would not consider purchasing any of the parts.

 

A DDR4 platform build would blow your budget out of the water, atm only i7 and Xeon platform MBs are compatible meaning that you would need to also upgrade the MB and CPU to the socket LGA2011-3 as mentioned by terry1966, an example as to how this will affect your budget here

 

Regarding the PSU, more power is better but overdoing it is a waste of cash, wait until all hardware is decided on and then select an appropriate PSU, the Corsair AX range is a good choice as it has fanless mode and comes with a 7 year warranty.


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ddr4 ram is not compatible with ddr3 ram, there are physical differences so they can not fit in the same slot. 

so you can not use ddr4 ram in a motherboard made for ddr3 ram, far as i'm aware at the moment the only systems using ddr4 ram are intel socket 2011 systems and your building an intel socket 1150 system that all use ddr3 ram.

 

about the 2nd hand parts, yes you could use them (don't like the case myself tho but there's nothing wrong with it) but the price he's asking is over the top in my opinion for 2nd hand parts, even tho they are good parts i could get them from ebay for about $450, get them for $300/$350 mark then i'd say yes buy them if not leave them alone and go with new.

 

 

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who da what socket? sorry, im not used to hardware yet, always focused on software which im regretting now lol. and so far nothing I know of is set in stone, just wana get my facts straight and my ducks in a row, so would ddr4 be doable if i get the right motherboard for it? or is it even worth it at this point?


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see phills post above, no ddr4 is not worth it to you for building a gaming rig.

 

the socket is what the cpu goes into on a motherboard, different cpu's have different amount of connections on them, the i5 4690k has 1150 connections on it so the motherboards are listed as socket/ lga1150, so a socket/ lga 2011 system the cpu has 2011 connections on it.

 

that is one of the biggest mistakes people make when new to building a pc might make, they would buy a socket 1150 motherboard and a 1155 cpu which are incompatible with each other.

 

eg:- there are i7 2011 cpu's, i7 1366 cpu's, i7 1155 cpu's and there are i7 1150 cpu's, so someone wanting to buy an i7 cpu can easily see i7 and buy it not realising it won't work in the motherboard they also bought because it has the wrong pin count for the cpu.

 

:popcorn:

 

more info here :- http://en.wikipedia....wiki/CPU_socket


Edited by terry1966, 13 January 2015 - 05:09 PM.

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If you plan on a future in programming, CAD, 3D modelling or professional video rendering then an i7 - DDR4 build would be worthwhile, if this is purely a gaming build then stick with an i5 based build.


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I have considered going into programming but im not there at the moment, so your i5 build is what you would recommend for purely a fun, gaming computer? i guess im just really nervous, this is my first big purchase and i dont want to be disappointed. ive gotten desktops that are cool at first and quickly go downhill *cough dell cough*


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you'll find there's a big difference with building your own compared to buying a "*cough dell cough*"

 

the i5 4690k cpu is more than powerful enough to tide you over for a few years gaming, especially with a good gpu like the gtx970 or the lower specced R9-280x

 

another good thing when you build your own is you will learn how everything fits together and it will give you the confidence to make changes to it in future if the performance is no longer good enough without you thinking you have to buy a complete new pc like most people do.

 

everything you need to know will be explained in the motherboard manual so make sure you read it well before starting, watch a few video's on youtube etc and you'll find it really is quite easy.

 

yes phills choices would give you a machine you'd be very happy with, ok i might not choose exactly the same parts but in the end the important ones like cpu and gpu i'd use and the other parts wouldn't really alter the performance of his build compared to one i might build when it came to actually playing and enjoying the games.

 

my last personal build for myself was in 2008/09 and even today if i just upgraded the gpu to the gtx970 it would play any game out there just fine even tho it's 5+ years old, same thing would apply to the i5 (faster than the i7 920 cpu in my pc.) your planning on building, that should be good for a number of years yet with maybe a gpu upgrade a few years down the line.

 

 

i guess im just really nervous, this is my first big purchase and i dont want to be disappointed.

i honestly don't think you'll be disappointed with the final build.

 

:popcorn:


Edited by terry1966, 13 January 2015 - 10:05 PM.

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Nothing that I can add that terry hasn't already covered  :thumbsup:


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thanks guys, im going to print of your list and run down to micro center, see if they have any suggestions, maybe have a special sale and when i do that i might be back, see if the change is worth it. Once again thank you all for the help and insight. and actually, any good reliable site for neat custom cases? not like i say what i want, but maybe they have weird crazy looking ones? id be willing to throw in a bit extra for a really cool looking case


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cases :- http://www.newegg.co...s/Category/ID-9

 

personally i like the plain ones more than the flashy ones with lots of leds, only thing i would say is make sure the one you choose does have at least 1 usb3 port on the front/top and i'd also stay away from the full tower ones.

got an atcs 840 full tower case :- http://www.bit-tech....lassic-review/1

for my last build, it's a great case don't get me wrong fits my 360 rad water cooling setup inside no problems, but full towers are huge and heavy and can't be easily moved or placed out of sight if required, so i'd recommend sticking to the mid tower case size.

 

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Edited by terry1966, 14 January 2015 - 01:06 PM.

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Thanks terry oh that reminds me, what about a cooling system? i didnt see one in phill's list, do i need one of those? if so, what do i need to look for?


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no the cpu will come with it's own heatsink and fan, if later on you decide you want to overclock the system then yes you'd need to get an aftermarket cooler, but in all honesty i'd recommend staying away from overclocking for most people, the performance of cpu's today are more than capable at stock so you do not really need to overclock your systems (except for bragging rights in benchmarks) unlike say 5/10+ years ago when the benefits were much greater than they are today, .

 

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ok thank terry, that saved me some money :) any personal recommendations on parts over what phill had? id like to take both of your advise into consideration when i go and look at parts


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no i have no personal recommendations over the parts phill listed,

but if you want an alternate list here's one that came to $1049.91 before any rebates.

 

case :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811139039

dvd :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827136276

cpu :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819117372

motherboard :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130779

memory :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231424

gpu :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814125685

psu :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817438014

ssd :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820148820

hd :- http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822148834

 

is it better or worse than phills list, then no not really, save on some parts to buy better on other parts like the ssd and hd for example, which in my opinion would make most difference performance wise, did go for 16GB of ram but that took it to far away from phils list price of about $1050.

 

if i shopped around instead of just getting all parts from newegg then i could probably have gotten the 16GB of ram in a build as well for under $1000.

 

:popcorn:


Edited by terry1966, 14 January 2015 - 05:14 PM.

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A good list there terry but would drop the HDD to a 1TB and use the cash saved to improve the Ram to 1600MHz to avoid any potential bottleneck, HDDs are relatively inexpensive and so can be added when needed further down the way + 1TB HDDs are easier to keep backed up (not that I am lazy at all  :whistling: )


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me being a heavy storage user, have 4x1TB wd blacks and 2x2TB seagate drives besides my ssd boot drive in my system at the moment, so thought the slightly slower ram was more than offset by the extra storage.  :rofl: 

 

as you know tho when building a pc there is always a compromise somewhere along the line unless budget is unlimited.

personally i'd probably go with your ram, motherboard and gpu from your list and the rest from my list.

 

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