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Gday tigger3370,.

Thanks for the heads up.   Hardware innovation has moved on a bit since we configured your original build, so I recommend a MB upgrades for your consideration.

https://www.pugetsys...Difference-877/

As they say, not terrible exciting, chipset wise, but is for motherboards.   The Asrock board will give you 8 SATA ports, 2 x RJ-45 LAN, improved M.2 support, Thunderbolt, Better onboard switches + Debug LED.

reinforces PCI-E x16 slots.

Compare, > https://www.newegg.c...-877^13-132-877

 

Dropped the RAM speed, the Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory is not on the QVL list, only the and Z series, also, even though it is XMP, many people have found it does not work unless timing and voltage is entered manually in the BIOS.  The V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory will work and in the real world, there is negligible performance difference.

http://www.gskill.co...2859&model=2882

 

Having to go out now, will post again laer with frunther update.

updated List, > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kd79vV

 

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Back again so will add a bit more.

tigger3370, on 17 Mar 2017 - 12:24 AM, said:snapback.png

Hi all. Starting to get close to being able to build it (Graduated and have a part time job but need a full-time job) and was wondering if this build still looked good. Also, I was wondering if there is a video card that is close to the  MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card but cost a little bit less ($414). Should I add a sound card? Any suggestions on a RAID controller? I'm thinking about doing a three disk RAID 5.

 

Any input would be appreciated. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6qyLHN

Congratulation.   Hope the job hunting goes well.

 

I will leave the video card till later, 

Intergrated sound is very, very good today, so see if it good enough for you, add a card later if you want.

Same for RAID, us the MB software RAID first, Cheaper controllers are not all that good.

 

and regarding the selected Blue drives, they are not very suitable for RAID5 and up.

https://www.pugetsys...WD-Rainbow-674/

http://www.seagate.c...s/hdd/ironwolf/

Recommend either of these, > https://www.newegg.c...-008^22-179-008

 

I won't change the build specs again, until we discuss. 


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Would the Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive be a good drive for the RAID? I ask because I was told the Black drives (Which I think a have on my network RAID 1) were pretty good and came with a good warranty. EDIT: I just looked at your links and now see why you recommended them. Do you have a personal preference: WD vs Seagate?

 

I made the changes to the motherboard and memory. I also made a change to the case and add a wi-fi card.

 

Help with the video card would be great! There are so many and the one I picked out was pretty costly but I've heard it is good.

 

Is there any good reason to get an optical drive anymore? Looks like you can get even Windows 10 on a flashdrive now.

 

Thanks for the feedback!

 

Made changes to hard drives: 1 SSD for the OS, 1 WD Black for programs and 3 WD Red for the RAID.

Newest Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4qnvhq


Edited by tigger3370, 20 March 2017 - 09:35 AM.

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Sorry for the delay.  Noted your changes.

HDD choice is a never ending topic.   Many reviews, based on stats from BackBlaze.   Lots are personal, especially when someone gets a bad drive.   I use both WD and Seagate, both as good as each other.   In this instance, I would choose the Seagate IronWolfe, slightly faster RPM.   I would not buy from Amazon, too many bad reviews.  You linked to a 2TB @ $82.99. Couple of bucks more for both brands on Newegg, Interested in what you choose, > https://www.newegg.c...-007^22-179-007

 

Your right about choices for a GPU, FPS Performance of the top brands don't very all that much, sound, heat, power draw do though.  The selected  MSI is good, my choice would be the Gaming X 

>  https://www.bhphotov...070_gaming.html

Review > http://www.guru3d.co...x-review,1.html

 

Optical drive is not essential but i would not build without one.   You  can buy Windows on USB, as with discs it is probable not u to date.   Providing you have access to a computer, once you have the media and licence, download the latest build from Microsoft and burn your own stick, saves downloading/installing heaps of updates and possible a cleaner result. 

The main hassle is with the MB and GPU installation, they still come on a disc.   

 

 

Come back with your choices.

 

Your are very welcome :thumbsup:


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I switched to the graphics card mentioned, about the same cost as the previous ones I looked into. Not much of a PC gamer, yet, but it looks like that one should be good enough for me.

 

Looking around, I guess picking a HDD is mostly about personal preference, as the two drives are extremely close in most of the specs. Right now, I'm sticking with the WD Red as the performance specs for both were pretty close, even though those for Seagate were slightly better. Like you said, mostly comes down to personal preference.

 

Guess I'd better add an optical drive. Any suggestions on this? Some many to choose from and some many types! Analysis paralysis has set in! Just picked one that looked ok.

 

Also, best recommendation for mouse and keyboard. Right now I just have a standard keyboard and some Logitech mouse, which I could still use, but interested in learning what is out there. I guess I should ask about a monitor as well. Probably could keep using the one I have but nice to have options.

 

Once I've got everything locked in, I'll post a final build before trying to convince my wife that I can actually build it! https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t7dBWX


Edited by tigger3370, 22 March 2017 - 12:39 PM.

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Looks like you are nearly there.

Added a basic Asus optical drive, it's all you really need.   

Mouse, keyboard, speakers and headphones, , too individual to pick an item.   Yes, make do with what you have first, then go to an outlet where you can try.   I prefer wired, keyboard with clicky keys, without fancy media.   For me, wired, 5 function buttons.

The MB comes with 2 SATA cables, you will need an additional 2.   Example, one of each, > https://www.newegg.c...ICE&PageSize=96

 

Updated parts list, > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Pjgkm8

 

Take care if you need to buy parts over an extended time period.   MB, CPU, GPU, RAM, PSU,  may come with a limited return time policy.   You don't want to build is three months time, hit a DOA item and find problems with the RMA. 


Edited by iammykyl, 23 March 2017 - 02:58 PM.
stated wrong amount of cable needed

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Update.

Made a mistake with the amount of SATA cable needed.

There are 4 supplied with the MB.

You will need Two extra. > Example, one  of each, > https://www.newegg.c...ICE&PageSize=96

 

You can download the MB user Manual and the RAID setup guide from > http://www.asrock.co...ndex.asp#Manual


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Argh! My post deleted itself! Thanks for all the help.


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Scored the two extra SATA cables needed from work when they were trashing an old PC. Upgraded to liquid cooled based on a friend's recommendation. I'm hoping to pull the trigger before the end of April! (Have to study for the software part of the A+ exam.) Looking at the case size, it seems quite large. Do you have any recommendations for a smaller case?

 

https://pcpartpicker...70/saved/fgtbvK


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Had a really good look for a different case and in that price range, I reckon you have the best choice: you would need to go up to the $130+ mark to match it.   Alternative would be the Enthroo Mid tower, it still retains the width, (3/4" more than other cases) aprox 2' shorter>deeper. but, only 2 internal 3.5" HDD cages, so you would need to buy 2 extra ones, .>  https://www.newegg.c...N82E16817972004.

>   https://www.newegg.c...-027^11-854-027

Still looking at liquid cooling.   The Seldon is a bit old, 2013, might be a better design available. 


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Sorry for the long delay, mistakenly dumped you in the bin.

Upgraded to liquid cooled based on a friend's recommendation

I wouldn't.   Really good air coolers are cheaper than low/mid priced liquid, and performance is better.   Liquid at CPU mid load is usually a bit noisier, at full load.   Single and most double rad coolers, get some ear muffs.   As far as I can see, you need to go to the top end liquid coolers to get similar results to top end air ones and that will cost you a fortune.

I would stay with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO  until you have done some research.   If you want to try liquid, I would go with the Corsair Hydro Series H60.

There are heaps of sites with "best" but a lot depends on how they test.   good ones, > http://www.frostytec...eid=2705&page=6  > https://www.techpowe...ORIG/A80/6.html

 

This review gives some good advice of the pros/cons > http://www.144hzmoni...est-cpu-cooler/

 

Did you make a decision about the case?


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Thanks for the input. Still sticking with the same case for now. Hadn't had much luck finding a smaller one that has what I need or is a better size that I like. I've upgraded my parts list to a faster CPU and memory. I'd already changed the liquid cooling to what you'd recommended. Comparing the listed decibels to what my current machines are putting out, it looks like the liquid cooler will be quieter than my current machines. If it's bothersome, I can always swap it out. Here's my most updated build: https://pcpartpicker...70/saved/kz9pgs

 

Finish my A+ test this month and I'll be able to buy it! So close!

 

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An I7 would be a good choice for CAD/Video/photo/music,  a Workstation where Hyper threading would be used.  It will only perform marginally better (1 to 2 fps, gaming) than an i5, even though clocked faster and cost you a lot more.   You have also selected a 6th Gen Skylake, so you will lose any benefits from 7th Gen KabyLake.

KabyLake and the i5 7600K  supports, 4K 10-bit HEVC encode/decode and VP9 decode.Intel’s Optane technology. HDCP 2.2 and Microsoft PlayReady 3.0 compliant

RAM 2400MHz natively.   Very easy to overclock.

Reviews.

http://www.eteknix.c...essor-review/9/  Some good links from this one. 

http://www.anandtech...am-performer/12

http://www.kitguru.n...e-cpu-review/6/

Netflix > http://www.kitguru.n...-for-kaby-lake/ 

Look at the game benchmarks, at stock. > http://www.pcgamer.c...5-7600k-review/

 

Memory speed, possible discuss this a bit.   Can't find Memory scaling for KabyLake, this is for SkyLake.   You will most likely have some tweaking to do to get stable running if you go above 3.200.

http://www.legitrevi...it-speed_170340 


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So, if I change the CPU from an i7-6700K to a i7-7700K, would that change it from 6th Gen Skylake to a 7th Gen Kabylake? I plan on doing some virtualization and wanted the benefits from the hyper threading.

 

For memory, I don't mind doing some tweaking, but I can always drop down before buying to shave some cost off the build. Newest: https://pcpartpicker...70/saved/xckycf


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Yes, that puts you up to the 7th Gen Kabylake.

This is pick up only from Macro centre.   If you have a store within easy reach of your location, saves a bit, > http://www.microcent...Boxed_Processor


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Going to pull the trigger this or next week. Just not sure that I like the case. Any suggestions? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ndgT3F


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