[nathen555]

i heard u get more jaggys in games from Nvidia the (AA) in ATI are crap dont do note (all nvidia cards have (AA) ) some ati cards dont

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i heard u get more jaggys in games from Nvidia the (AA) in ATI are crap dont do note (all nvidia cards have (AA) ) some ati cards dont

huh?

[UV_Power]

i heard u get more jaggys in games from Nvidia the (AA) in ATI are crap dont do note (all nvidia cards have (AA) ) some ati cards dont

huh?

[nathen555]

plus the 6800 Ultra is much better than the GT

[Royal]

Heh, well I would go anything 5500 and up. Good price if you buy 5500 - 6200 and is a vast improvement from Integrated graphics, (I'm talking about 30-50x). Now if you have that bit more money to spend go to the 6600,6600GT,6800,6800GT,6800ULTRA, and the new 7800. But even if you upgrade to a 64mb, you will still see a great improvement, i.e. better textures. Game example: With your controller in hl2, the water is flat, no reflection or anything whatsoever. But with the upgrade, you can see the cool water technology. So it is imperative that you upgrade from "that".

Edited by Royal, 11 July 2005 - 09:56 AM.

[ratmilk]

Games are focusing to much on Graphics, and have lost the story-line. I am a mod/game dever too, and i know this. Jeez, Graphics shouldn't be the #1 Feature in a game. The Story should be!!!

[warriorscot]

nvidia 7 series are a bit of a dissapointment they were suppsoed to be a new design not a redesign and they really only have 16pipes the extra are internal only, thats why it isnt in the ps3, they put an 8th generation card in the ps3 according to the sony and nvidia press release. Even sony admit that the gfx in the xbox360 is better they say that there uber cpu will balance it out. The gtx is going to have at best 32 pipes if they increase it as they probably wont as it will meant another architecture change. the ati520 core has 42 pipelines and thats the baby one in the new series. They have eliminated pixel pipelines in the 580 completely or more integrated them in to one uber pipe. Also the ATI crossfire system is by far superior to the nvidia SLi system its easier to use more flexible and more efficient. And what modern ATI card doesnt have AA my x800 does the x700 does the 9xxx series does as far as i know.

Edited by warriorscot, 12 July 2005 - 07:32 AM.

[ratmilk]

you still can't change the fact that nVidia cards cane ATI cards

Edited by ratmilk, 12 July 2005 - 03:56 PM.

[UV_Power]

you still can't change the fact that nVidia cards cane ATI cards

agreed!

[ratmilk]

Hey UV_Power, what FPS do you get in games usually, Give examples please, i want to know, i have a Gigabyte 6600TD 256MB.

Thanks

[Darryl]

I got a radeon 9250, my bro got a radeon 9550, both run very well and are good enought for me. I don't really care if i have 400fps or 70fps, as long as its running smoothely without the lag its good enough for me.

[MOLEXRULZ]

The goal is to get the best quality while mantaining 40+fps. The Radeon 9250 doesn't allow you to get more than 20fps at low settings.

[warriorscot]

Well i have a x800xl which i got for 50 pounds less than a 6800GT and it runs every game i have at full getting between 40 and 100 fps. HL2 CS:S HW2 w/ PDS6, MOHPA, BiA, UT2004, Far Cry. What more can you ask, if nvidia are better than ATI then why before the 7800 did ATI make the most powerful card on the market which will still hold its own against a 7800. And why are the new ATI cards going to have more than double the pipes and why do they get the best reviews. Those that put down ATI over Nvidia at all times are only demonstrating there ignorance.

I have had both and there is no advantage partcularly between one manufacturer or the other in the long run, if either have a good idea the other copies it, look at sli its just a copy of an old ATI system, which ATi have reinvented to beat sli.
The only preferance i have is the best card for the least money and of late ATI has won hands down. Maybe nvidia will realise there error in there ways and price there cards more appropreiatly and competitevely in future.

[UV_Power]

Hey ratmilk, sorry it took so long to get back to you. To be honest, the only reference I have is the 3DMark05. I get an average of 11 fps (w/o AA or AF). I also don't overclock, so I am still running my card at the default 350/500.

And warriorscot, I think you are right with their latest models. I mean, the 7800 was reputed to be some sort of breakthrough, but unfortuneately has fallen short. At the moment, ATI has the upper hand. What I was talking about before was overall perforamce and stability with their models from the past. Generally speaking, ATI just had more problems with game instability, overheating, and incompatability issues than Nvidia had. Looking back, I'd say Nvidia has a better story to tell. I'd love to open discussion on it though.

Also, I heard that the new 7800 has 24 pipelines. According to you, that means the new ATI cards will have 48? Did ATI really pull that off? I'd love to see the article about it...

[mycompsux]

Go for a nVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT. It is the personification of "Bang for Buck." They sell them on newegg but they are refurbished. Perhaps elsewhere you can find a new one. Try to get one made by CHAINTECH if you decide to purchase a 5900XT.

http://www.newegg.co...=&Go.x=0&Go.y=0

http://www.chaintech...No=14&PISNo=255

Edited by mycompsux, 16 July 2005 - 01:49 PM.

[warriorscot]

I think i read it in a magazine and they metioned it on the ATI website i think but i cant remeber exactly, its also on a couple of forum discussions i saw when looking for reviews for my gfx card. Its not that much of a feat for ATI Nvidia could have done it if they had designed a new core from scratch the 7 series is a redesign of the the 6800 core and the extra pipes are internal or something they arent actually used like conventional pipes they are apparentlly going to be made use of in new games but for current games the 7800 actually only has 16 pipelines working.

ATI have always been the leaders in new technology thats why there hardware was so flaky they released it before it was really ready(ATI had dual gfx card technology years ago one of the reasons crossifre is better is it is ATI second bash at dual gpu systems). They seem to have learned the lesson though and have recently let nvidia release new technology early while they perfect the product it is a good attitude and can only benefit the consumer. They have also eliminated multiple pixel pipelines in there latest core that they are supposed to put in the xbox 360 it uses one super pipeline supposedly for enhanced performance. For PCs that core will come out as R580 or R620 by the looks of it.