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Hey guys! I think it's time for an upgrade! I currently have asrock extreme 4m motherboard, 8gb ram g.skill ripjaws, i5-3570k cpu lga1155, geforce gtx 760 super clocked graphics card, corsair 650tx psu. I am a gamer. I also live stream my game play with a cam and dual monitors. Both monitors are connected to the graphics card. I will be getting the antec 1200 case most likely. I get 50mbps internet. I will probably be getting a 4K TV soon too. I am really just looking for better and faster performance without changing graphics card. Budget... let's say $500-$600USD for now. I can get the parts of anything beyond that over time.

Edited by heartgrave, 04 June 2016 - 02:37 PM.

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I play high graphic games like final fantasy 14, fallout 4, world of warcraft, call of duty, battlefield, etc.
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if you can stretch your budget then i'd recommend a new gtx 1080 card. (usually best way to increase gaming performance (depends on game.) is to increase graphics capabilities, then increase cpu performance later if needed by upgrading that, which may mean a new motherboard and ram combo too.)

 

http://www.newegg.co...07709 601201888

 

if not then in a couple of weeks the gtx 1070 will be released that will be within your budget.

 

review of gtx 1080 :- http://www.pcgamer.c...tx-1080-review/

review of gtx 1070 :- http://www.pcgamer.c...tx-1070-review/

 

:popcorn:


Edited by terry1966, 04 June 2016 - 08:18 PM.

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This is a very good ariticle, covers most of what I think you should know. Note that AMD will soon release new cards. 

http://www.pcgamer.c...tx-1070-review/


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I just want to confirm that you guys are suggesting a better graphics card? My card is 256bit 2g ram. If I am streaming league of legends with or without cam, Skype, and 2-3 tabs of Google Chrome, I am pushing 100% CPU usage and close to 90% ram usage. You guys still think I'd need a new card?
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like everything you'll have to decide what is more important, upgrading cpu to something like an i7 with it's better multi tasking capabilities or upgrade the gpu for it's better gaming performance especially when playing games at higher screen resolutions such as 4k.

 

in an ideal world you'd upgrade both, but seeing how you can't afford both at the moment then it's up to you to decide which is more important right now.

 

you have enough memory, and the cpu in my opinion is still capable enough but is older tech, so to make a cpu upgrade worthwhile i think you'd have to move to a new socket motherboard with a faster chipset instead of just putting an older socket 1155 i7 cpu into your current system.

 

if your happy with your cards gaming performance at the moment then i'd upgrade to an i7 skylake system, depending on the game, cpu bound games you'll probably get a slight improvement, gpu bound games you won't. but this will also let you handle more tasks at once without affecting your game play, then at a later date you can upgrade the gpu.

 

personally i think you'll noticeable the most improvement when dedicated gaming with the new gpu, but when multi tasking while gaming you'll probable notice most difference with a new i7 skylake cpu and motherboard and ram using your current gpu. on second thoughts unless your experiencing freezes at the moment i still think you'll notice most improvement by upgrading your gpu.

 

like i said earlier though everything is conditional, there are benefits to upgrading either way and it's up to you to decide which you want to upgrade first, not being a gamer myself i'd upgrade cpu and motherboard, for gamers though a gpu upgrade would probably be first choice.

 

:popcorn:

 

a couple of links might help you decide on which to upgrade first, cpu/motherboard or gpu :-

http://www.lifehacke...or-ram-upgrade/

http://blog.nzxt.com...upgrading-a-pc/

fallout 4 :- http://www.logicalin...games/fallout4/


Edited by terry1966, 05 June 2016 - 01:30 AM.

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I was honestly looking to upgrade the motherboard, ram, and cpu. But I like the idea of a new card even though I just got it 3 Christmas ago. I like the graphics performance I just feel like the actual computer performance needs help.

Reading the lifehack post, the stuttering is what I tend to experience a lot with fallout 4, call of duty, and battlefield.

I'll post that CAM tool info later tonight.

Edited by heartgrave, 05 June 2016 - 10:38 AM.

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Reading the lifehack post, the stuttering is what I tend to experience a lot with fallout 4, call of duty, and battlefield.

from my understanding they are all games that rely on a good gpu with a lot of dedicated onboard ram, the 2Gb your card has is more or less minimum nowadays, so i'd expect the gtx 1080 with it's 8GB of onboard memory should stop your stutter problem.

 

also what hard drive/ssd is in your pc, i didn't notice where you've mentioned it before?

 

:popcorn:


Edited by terry1966, 05 June 2016 - 11:55 AM.

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I have 2 HDDs. 1tb and 500gb. IDK the specs of them
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was thinking maybe a fast ssd would help get rid of the stutter you experience.

some times the best performance upgrade is to get a fast ssd for the os and games to go on, and keep the rest of your data on the usual hard drives.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820147361

 

just for info and way out of your budget at the moment but if i was to build a gaming pc today, it would include a skylake i7 6700k cpu, samsung 950 pro m2 pci-e nvme 512gb ssd and a gtx 1080 video card, just those 3 parts are nearly $1400. :D

 

what did the cam tool results show? and did you try other tests to see if you are gpu or cpu limited in your games?

 

:popcorn:


Edited by terry1966, 05 June 2016 - 03:35 PM.

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From your reply #5 CPU/RAM usage, you should look to see why it is so, RAM first.

use windows task manager. > resource monitor. > look at the memory section, sort by highest, please upload a screenshot.

Download and run Malwarebytes, > http://www.majorgeek...ti_malware.html


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Before loading Fallout 4. CAM Advanced view.

cam_060516_1.jpg

 

Before loading Fallout 4. CAM Basic view.

cam_060516_2.jpg  

 

After loading Fallout 4 CAM Basic view.

cam_060516_3.jpg

 

After loading Fallout 4. CAM Advanced view.

cam_060516_4.jpg

 

 

In the Advanced view, on the right hand side, in red, there are words that are hard to see without maximizing my uploaded pictures. They are "Current" "Min" "Max" from left to right for the 3 columns in each category.

 

 

perforance.png


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as i thought, your cpu still has wiggle room, but your gpu is 99/100% so your best immediate upgrade personally i'd say is the gpu, if the cpu was at 100% and the gpu was at 50% then for that game i'd say your cpu would be best upgrade.

 

your ram usage is fine.

 

only other place where you might gain instant performance improvement is to upgrade your hard drive from a spinner to an ssd.

 

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As much as that 1080 and 1070 are beautiful, (as well as out of stock like everywhere), I don't have the funds to reach those prices unless I save and money burns a hole in my pocket. :(

 

What do you think of this card over my current? 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814487088

 

Which motherboard would you use? 

 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813132565

 

or

 

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813130919


Edited by heartgrave, 06 June 2016 - 04:56 PM.

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I would also upgrade the GPU first.   Advise using DDU, display driver uninstaller when installing a new GPU.

If upgrading the MB/CPU, (Skylake) you would also need new RAM, and, if your OS is an OEM version, a new OS as a OEM one is not transferable to a different MB.

You have over 300GB on the OS drive and virtually nothing on the second drive.   What are you using that second drive for?

With a SSD upgrade, best if the OS and main programs go on the SSD and a HDD is used for storage, I also run some programs from it, like Office, and maintenance, like Revo Uninstaller.

With your present setup, you would be looking at a 500GB SSD.


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